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Re: exile
« Reply #15: February 01, 2013, 10:51:48 PM »
Exile is the removal of all benefits of that society.

I would think the region loyalty might affect that, so perhaps an exiled person would find max 30% of the taxes - but that would quickly shrink if their region has a new lord.

Historically exile meant leaving the lands, or going to some backwater place, thus removing any chance of receiving income.

But, the whole point is that exile comes from the ruler, so any benefits from being associated with the realm should be withdrawn. However, anything derived not from the realm but from their feudal position CAN'T possibly be withdrawn in any manner that makes sense.

Remove trading for the "in-realm only" trades, but allow them to still access all other market trades.
Remove their access to banks, because banks are realm focused.
Remove access to recruitment because recruitment is realm focused.

If they are a lord you can't remove the taxes from their region, because it is their region. You can deny their ability to cash the bonds.
If they are a duke, and retain loyal lords, the same applies.
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Re: exile
« Reply #16: February 02, 2013, 02:35:54 AM »
There is no geographical component to exile. But, an exiled lord would be an idiot to stray too far from his region, as it would make sabotage by diplomats/ambassadord way too easy.
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Re: exile
« Reply #17: February 02, 2013, 03:54:16 AM »
There is no geographical component to exile. But, an exiled lord would be an idiot to stray too far from his region, as it would make sabotage by diplomats/ambassadord way too easy.

His proximity in no way hinders diplomats or ambassadors. At least he can arrest priests, though, if he has a unit.

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Re: exile
« Reply #18: February 02, 2013, 04:05:27 AM »

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Re: exile
« Reply #19: February 02, 2013, 04:24:53 AM »
What Velax said. A court can easily undo most or all of the effects of a diplomat.
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Re: exile
« Reply #20: February 02, 2013, 04:58:29 AM »
What Velax said. A court can easily undo most or all of the effects of a diplomat.

To his own realm... true. Unless a bunch of them work together. On the bright side, you force him to stay at home, making it harder for him to find food.

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Re: exile
« Reply #21: February 02, 2013, 05:26:06 AM »
Can't get food without bonds.

Hmm... since an exiled character can't use bonds, and all food trades are done with bonds, shouldn't they be locked out of the marketplace? After all, they can't use banks, and using bonds takes a bank. That would make exile very powerful against the lord of a city region.
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Re: exile
« Reply #22: February 02, 2013, 08:19:02 AM »
um.... that's the thing. this thread is about all taxes go in bonds instead of gold for an exiled character.

equally, a character could pop outside of the borders to get taxes in bonds
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thus yeah.. taxes go in bonds and ban from marketplace of own realm
« Last Edit: February 02, 2013, 08:22:00 AM by fodder »
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Re: exile
« Reply #23: February 03, 2013, 03:36:03 AM »
What about his Stewart?  They could trade

so remove the Stewart and ability to appoint one

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Re: exile
« Reply #24: February 03, 2013, 03:41:28 AM »
What about his Stewart?  They could trade

so remove the Stewart and ability to appoint one
How would the realm be able to remove some lord's steward? It is the lord who gives the steward the authority so only the lord could take it away.

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Re: exile
« Reply #25: February 03, 2013, 03:50:10 AM »
It is that Lord who has been exiled and the locals won't associate that anyone associated with that Lord, such as the Stewart, in fear of punishment.

Historical example is Sir Thomas Moore.  After he was exiled, most of his staff quit because they were too afraid to be associated with him.

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Re: exile
« Reply #26: February 03, 2013, 03:54:41 AM »
It is that Lord who has been exiled and the locals won't associate that anyone associated with that Lord, such as the Stewart, in fear of punishment.

Historical example is Sir Thomas Moore.  After he was exiled, most of his staff quit because they were too afraid to be associated with him.
If the lord is still lord then the locals are listening to him so your logic doesn't really apply. That and they do associate with him because he can still do everything else in the region.

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Re: exile
« Reply #27: February 03, 2013, 04:05:46 AM »
The exiled Lord cannot be banned. The Steward (and any other knights he has) can, if they refuse to leave his service.
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Re: exile
« Reply #28: February 03, 2013, 04:08:53 AM »
The exiled Lord cannot be banned. The Steward (and any other knights he has) can, if they refuse to leave his service.
So what's the logic behind not allowing some that's been exiled to be banned?

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Re: exile
« Reply #29: February 03, 2013, 04:21:04 AM »
So what's the logic behind not allowing some that's been exiled to be banned?

Originally, it was because we didn't think anyone would ever exile someone they could ban.

Then, after we thought about it, we decided to leave it that way because the point of exile is the power struggle.

Basically, if you can ban someone, you're a moron to exile them. But we don't try to prevent you from being a moron.
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