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Vulgar?
« Topic Start: February 08, 2013, 11:07:17 PM »
I'd like some opinions of GD, because apparently a recent message of mine was judged vulgar and people agreed. I can't even think of what could possibly be deemed vulgar in this message.

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One of your recent messages, reproduced below, has caused many raised eyebrows among your peers and fellow nobles agree that this way of talking is unbefitting of a noble. Your respect among the nobility falls, resulting in a loss of a point of honour.

The Message:

Quite the gathering of nobility we have here. I've never seen so many soldiers gathered together.

Perhaps some of the Darkans here can help me and my friends end a little dispute we've been having. We're trying to decide why Darkans are so good at and so ravenous about fighting battles. We've come up with a few ideas:

1. Darka's women are so ugly, that your soldiers have to fight their way to foreign lands in order to find a lay that they can be with while sober.

2. Darka's women are so viscous, that Darkans have to rape their own women in order to reproduce and so they don't know how to do anything else while abroad.

3. Darka doesn't actually have any women, and this volcano which you speak of is really just a boy hug fest, so your entire realm joins the army so that hopefully they can rather die than return home to that misery.

Any chance I'm close?

Eragon Silverfire
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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #1: February 08, 2013, 11:11:59 PM »
I can see how quite a few people would consider that offensive. That's probably the criteria they are using.
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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #2: February 08, 2013, 11:13:18 PM »
Of course it is offensive. But, since when was offensive "vulgar, and unfitting of a noble"
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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #3: February 08, 2013, 11:16:31 PM »
I don't see how it's offensive or vulgar. Remember, that feature exists to report things which are offensive or vulgar OOC. Insults delivered IC that are lacking in expletives, racist epithets, sexist languages, or other hate speech should probably not be reported.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #4: February 08, 2013, 11:20:01 PM »
I don't see how it's offensive or vulgar. Remember, that feature exists to report things which are offensive or vulgar OOC. Insults delivered IC that are lacking in expletives, racist epithets, sexist languages, or other hate speech should probably not be reported.

That's what I thought. For some reason I think someone reported this message, simply to have more people read it, and it got actually called bad.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #5: February 09, 2013, 12:01:38 AM »
I don't see anything vulgar in there.  I have seen about the same before during the war of Morek vs Sumerdale.  Then there is all of the insults in Swordfell.  Nothing overly bad as far as I can tell either.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #6: February 09, 2013, 12:40:19 AM »
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vul·gar 
/ˈvəlgər/
Adjective
Lacking sophistication or good taste; unrefined: "the vulgar trappings of wealth".
Making explicit and offensive reference to sex or bodily functions; coarse and rude: "a vulgar joke".

You made several lowbrow jokes, which made reference to sex and were intended to offend. So, in every sense of the word, it was a vulgar message.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #7: February 09, 2013, 02:26:56 AM »
You made several lowbrow jokes, which made reference to sex and were intended to offend. So, in every sense of the word, it was a vulgar message.

Let's not be pedantic about this. There are dozens—at least—of messages exchanged each day that meet that criteria. That is not the commonly understood definition of vulgar in the western world. If you have a better and more inclusive suggestion for that particular label, please do share.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #8: February 09, 2013, 02:35:32 AM »
Darka's women are so viscous

This was probably it. No woman likes being told she has a thick and sticky consistency.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #9: February 09, 2013, 02:38:15 AM »
You made several lowbrow jokes, which made reference to sex and were intended to offend. So, in every sense of the word, it was a vulgar message.
Nobles offended enemy nobles. Also it was not explicit in any way, and the "and" in "explicit and offensive reference" is key.
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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #10: February 09, 2013, 02:39:57 AM »
This was probably it. No woman likes being told she has a thick and sticky consistency.
This made me snicker.

The vulgar message thing is yet another function that needs a more direct explanation of its purpose.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #11: February 09, 2013, 02:40:29 AM »
I don't see how it's offensive or vulgar. Remember, that feature exists to report things which are offensive or vulgar OOC. Insults delivered IC that are lacking in expletives, racist epithets, sexist languages, or other hate speech should probably not be reported.
I will be sending a message to Tom in just a moment because the needs to be cleared up. I am sure Anaris said or agreed to vulgarity being IC and its been talked about before so it needs clarification by Tom and IMO, an announcement made for it too.
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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #12: February 09, 2013, 02:58:56 AM »
I believe vulgarity being an IC thing is a mistake, because that opens it up to all kinds of IC interpretations that will depend on the character, rather than an objective look at whether it was vulgar or not.

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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #13: February 09, 2013, 03:00:56 AM »
I believe vulgarity being an IC thing is a mistake, because that opens it up to all kinds of IC interpretations that will depend on the character, rather than an objective look at whether it was vulgar or not.
I agree but nonetheless, I want official clarification by Tom.
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Re: Vulgar?
« Reply #14: February 09, 2013, 03:06:36 AM »
Let's not be pedantic about this. There are dozens—at least—of messages exchanged each day that meet that criteria. That is not the commonly understood definition of vulgar in the western world. If you have a better and more inclusive suggestion for that particular label, please do share.

I can't believe that there are dozens of such messages exchanged daily. I've yet to see any, other than the one being discussed, and I've been playing for a year now. Even if this message were common, one would have to wonder what earned this case a distinction from the rest.

In the Western world, 'vulgar' is an uncommon term and isn't well understood at all. When you hear the term, which is on rare occasion, it's usually being associated with upper class Victorian society. A hapless child, in a period piece, will utter a dirty word in front of his strict parents, eliciting from them a sharp punishment accompanying a comment about 'vulgar children these days'.