Nivemus vs. Perdan

[Eduardo Almighty]

I will... just give me some time to give new orders to the Silver Legion. Let the AoS and RD take care of Nivemus. The Silver Legion must march inside Westmoor and burn everything.

[Turner]

I will... just give me some time to give new orders to the Silver Legion. Let the AoS and RD take care of Nivemus. The Silver Legion must march inside Westmoor and burn everything.

Myabe the first step would be for Sirion to withdraw from the peace treaty that is still signed and in effect before you start talking about burning Westmoor. Better yet, declare war? :P

[Indirik]

Piffle! Just go loot!

[Uzamaki]

If Nivemus/Sirion won't loot, while the southerners do loot, then the southerners win, hands down. It's a pretty stupid way to fight a war. Sirion should be burning Westmoor to the ground at every opportunity.

Exactly my thoughts. How can a toothless, clawless tiger beat even a cougar? I mean C'MON.

[Eduardo Almighty]

Myabe the first step would be for Sirion to withdraw from the peace treaty that is still signed and in effect before you start talking about burning Westmoor. Better yet, declare war? :P

This is a strange war, then we don't need to declare war. Westmoor never declared it and we are fighting. We just need to go there and use the old good "pillage and maraud". But yes, I prefer to declare war. People like to listen Ecthelion instead of listen Erik... then we have this strange kind of war without declarations.

Erik have more lands, more power, more gold (Trinbar is a paradise), more nobles, almost the same CS and Zaki continues to fear Echtelion! Erik have 60 years and he's traveling with siege engines since the first battle... something says we have to siege.

PS: At least he was wounded by a woman in the battle of Juazeiro.

[Zakilevo]

This is a strange war, then we don't need to declare war. Westmoor never declared it and we are fighting. We just need to go there and use the old good "pillage and maraud". But yes, I prefer to declare war. People like to listen Ecthelion instead of listen Erik... then we have this strange kind of war without declarations.

Erik have more lands, more power, more gold (Trinbar is a paradise), more nobles, almost the same CS and Zaki continues to fear Echtelion! Erik have 60 years and he's traveling with siege engines since the first battle... something says we have to siege.

PS: At least he was wounded by a woman in the battle of Juazeiro.

LIES! LIES AND SLANDER! ZAKI FEARS NO ONE!

[Atanamir]

If Nivemus/Sirion won't loot, while the southerners do loot, then the southerners win, hands down. It's a pretty stupid way to fight a war. Sirion should be burning Westmoor to the ground at every opportunity.

I will... just give me some time to give new orders to the Silver Legion. Let the AoS and RD take care of Nivemus. The Silver Legion must march inside Westmoor and burn everything.

Again, this is a war between Perdan and Nivemus.
Westmoor (+Armonia) / Sirion help their allies.

The war declaration by Nivemus on Westmoor is still not explained IC.
Which I personally find very lame.

Sirion has no legitimate reason to burn anything.
They are not attacked, their regions are untouched.
Otherwise they will lose their face in front of every other realm.

Certain Sirion individuals will always try to provoke war (burning shrines/stabbing a Perdan noble/shouting here on the forum), good luck to them.
But this war has a RP, and Perdan (and Westmoor) will stick to it.

[Turner]

Again, this is a war between Perdan and Nivemus.
Westmoor (+Armonia) / Sirion help their allies.

The war declaration by Nivemus on Westmoor is still not explained IC.
Which I personally find very lame.

Sirion has no legitimate reason to burn anything.
They are not attacked, their regions are untouched.
Otherwise they will lose their face in front of every other realm.

Certain Sirion individuals will always try to provoke war (burning shrines/stabbing a Perdan noble/shouting here on the forum), good luck to them.
But this war has a RP, and Perdan (and Westmoor) will stick to it.

Very true.

Sirion also need to explain IC wise their presence within Westmoor and their attacks as they are violating the peace treaty they have signed with Westmoor.

[Feylonis]

Did Nivemus declare war on Westmoor before or after Perdan declared war on Nivemus?

Westmoor is pillaging and marauding Nivemus' lands. Nivemus is an ally of Sirion. Sirion, of course, intervenes and attacks Westmoor. It's not rocket science.

[Atanamir]

Did Nivemus declare war on Westmoor before or after Perdan declared war on Nivemus?

Perdan declared war on Nivemus. Nivemus declared randomly war on Westmoor afterwards.

Westmoor is pillaging and marauding Nivemus' lands. Nivemus is an ally of Sirion. Sirion, of course, intervenes and attacks Westmoor. It's not rocket science.

Westmoor is looting after war was declared on it.
Before Westmoor and Armonia were simply asked by Perdan to support them militarily in battles as Sirion aided Nivemus the same way.

[Indirik]

Wait... Perdan declares war on Nivemus and attacks, with help of Westmoorian troops, and you consider Nivemus' declaration of war on Westmoor to be "random"? That. Doesn't seem very random.

Also, Sirion attacking Westmoor seems perfectly logical. Westmoor is at war with Sirion's ally, so why wouldn't Sirion attack Westmoor? Not attacking Westmoor would be stupidity in extreme. Given that Westmoor is attacking a Sirionite ally, the cancelling of a peace treaty should be at most a formality. I can't understand why you guys are trying to paint this as some massive breach of ettiquette or betrayal on Sirion's part.

[Zakilevo]

Well I know what is going to happen when I declare war on Westmoor.

I can already hear the cries of certain people ;)

I will soon be more active since my exams are almost over.

[Eduardo Almighty]

Then the excuse of save a couple of commoners is better than pure and simple historical hate? I doubt. Erik hates Westmoor and want to burn it since we ended with Fontan and SoA. Also, Erik is a Warrior of Ora. The best way to help Nivemus? Burn Westmoor. Sounds perfect for me.

But wait! I can always say that Erik want to burn Westmoor to save some of his bastard children.

[Sonya]

The war declaration by Nivemus on Westmoor is still not explained IC.
Which I personally find very lame.

Remember when Westmoor, Armonia and Perdan attacked Oberndorf? It doesnt need any reason for this, i personally was nagging Neji for two whole days after that attack, to declare war on everyone of the attackers. I was expecting Sirion to do the same and go into Raiding Spread into Westmoor, but they didn't.

sighs

Well at least, we can report this week's Huge Battle (Take That Glory & Honor Haters!):

Battle in Juazeiro 
Nivemus, Sirion vs. Perdan, Westmoor
Estimated strengths: 2340 men vs. 2200 men

Attacker Victory!

Comments?

[Foxglove]

Wait... Perdan declares war on Nivemus and attacks, with help of Westmoorian troops, and you consider Nivemus' declaration of war on Westmoor to be "random"? That. Doesn't seem very random.

Random to the extent that they didn't also declare war on Armonia and OI. Don't get me wrong, Nivemus declaring war on Westmoor so they could make some sort of advance is perfectly logical from a tactical point of view, but there's no IC logic behind it.

The time line of events was that Perdan declared war on Nivemus. Perdanese and Westmoorian forces took defensive positions in Bruck. Perdanese forces head through OI to attack and loot northern regions of Nivemus. Sirion marched to defend its allies while remaining neutral. Nivemus sent infiltrators into Westmoor and through to Perdan. Westmoor protested at Nivemus violating neutral territory and didn't get much of a reponse from them. Perdan, Westmoor, and Armonia invaded - Perdanese forces looted, while Westmoor and Armonia did not. Perdan and Nivemus had a massive battle in Oberndorf, in which they were supported by Sirionite, Westmoorian, and Armonian neutral allies. Nivemus declared war on Westmoor. Due to the declaration Westmoorian forces now loot Nivemus, which they did not do before the declaration. Any Armonians do not loot because they are still just in Neutral support of their allies.

From the Perdan/Westmoor/Armonia side, there's a consistant character driven logic there. From Nivemus, not so much - their major reasons are that Westmoor allowed Perdan to pass through its territory and then supported its ally in battle. So (by IC logic) why haven't they also declared war on OI and Armonia?