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[Penchant]

Stabbity...you are great.

[Stabbity]

You know what the problem with Scotland is?


Its full of Scots.

[Velax]

Alright, now I'm baffled. I'm a King and had a kinsman of my dynasty married to a woman with a strong claim on a particular duchy. They had a kid, also of my dynasty. I pushed the woman's claim to the duchy and won it. I made the kid my vassal by making him Mayor of a city. When the mother died, instead of the duchy joining my realm, the city left it. I don't get it.

[Norrel]

The kid was not a direct vassal of yours, he was a vassal of one of your lords. He inherited a duchy, making him higher than his 1st-order liege, making him independent.

[Velax]

Ah, I see, thanks. So if I gave the kid a county in a duchy I was Duke of (or a county not part of an existing duchy), he'd become my direct vassal and the inherited duchy would join my realm?

[Norrel]

Yes. You generally want to save before doing any sort of allegiance or inheritance shenanigans, though, because they tend to go very awry very quickly.

[Velax]

Giving him a county in my duchy didn't work. I had to actually give him an entire duchy before he stayed in my realm when his mother died.

[Norrel]

Giving him a county in my duchy didn't work. I had to actually give him an entire duchy before he stayed in my realm when his mother died.

Oh yeah. Sorry about that. He wasn't a vassal to Velax the King, he was a vassal to Velax the Duke. When he became a duke, he was equivalent to his liege, so he went indie.

[Norrel]

There's some law you can pass that will prevent this from happening.

[Velax]

What about if I gave him a county that isn't part of a duchy? Would he be considered a vassal of Velax the King then?

[Norrel]

Don't put money on it, but I think so yeah.

[Velax]

Just tried it and no. The county left my realm rather than the duchy joining it. So it seems I have to give him a title that is equivalent or higher to the one he's inheriting for him to become part of my realm.

So if I were an Emperor, say, and I was supporting a vassal in their claim for a Kingdom, I'd have to give them another Kingdom for them to become part of my realm? That seems...excessive.

[Stabbity]

Hence why I only press claims when the claimant is me or someone for whom I am heir.

[Dante Silverfire]

Y'all are seriously doing this all wrong.

If they are in your dynasty, press their claim regardless of whether they'll end up in your kingdom or not.

Why? Because this is a game about "dynasties" not personal kingdoms. One goal should be to spread your dynasty around as much as possible even if you don't particularly control areas. Your dynasty prestige plays a role in marriages, and other diplomacy, not just your own prestige.

Not to mention, any dynasty members are automatic allies for wars and such.

[Norrel]

Just tried it and no. The county left my realm rather than the duchy joining it. So it seems I have to give him a title that is equivalent or higher to the one he's inheriting for him to become part of my realm.

So if I were an Emperor, say, and I was supporting a vassal in their claim for a Kingdom, I'd have to give them another Kingdom for them to become part of my realm? That seems...excessive.

I believe that if the Kingdom is a de jure part of your Empire they'll still join you. Alternatively, if you press the claim of a dynasty member they'll also join you.