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Transfering gold amongst your own characters

Started by Kwanstein, April 03, 2013, 05:33:58 AM

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Kwanstein

The game doesn't allow you to directly transfer gold between characters (through the bank). However, it doesn't prevent you from indirectly transferring funds amongst your own characters by using a third party as a go-between. Are there OOC rules to prevent this, or is it fair game?

Sypher

I don't see a problem. the third party introduces a bit of risk as they could keep the gold.

Bael


Chenier

I don't see the point of this restriction, imo, it just gives yet another advantage to multi-cheaters against legitimate players. Pretty much everyone can find a friend to trust with such a transfer anyways, it's just really a hassle to pass through someone to send funds around.
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egamma

It's so that you don't create a second character, have them visit the bank and send your primary character 50 gold, delete the second character, and repeat the next day.

You'll drain your family, but not before your primary character has all your family wealth.

^ban^

Quote from: Kwanstein on April 03, 2013, 05:33:58 AM
The game doesn't allow you to directly transfer gold between characters (through the bank). However, it doesn't prevent you from indirectly transferring funds amongst your own characters by using a third party as a go-between. Are there OOC rules to prevent this, or is it fair game?

If you have to circumvent a game mechanic it is time for you to revisit the ethics of what you are doing.
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Zakilevo

I am pretty sure this mechanic is in place to discourage people from having 2 chars in the same realm...

Perth

Quote from: Zaki on April 04, 2013, 06:48:16 AM
I am pretty sure this mechanic is in place to discourage people from having 2 chars in the same realm...

If only we could be so lucky to have such a thing discouraged.
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Kwanstein

Quote from: ^ban^ on April 04, 2013, 06:08:58 AM
If you have to circumvent a game mechanic it is time for you to revisit the ethics of what you are doing.

I am revisiting the ethics.

If the intention of this restriction is indeed solely to prevent people from abusing their starting gold allowances then the only situation in which a moral dilemma would arise is that in which starting gold allowances are involved. A situation in which that precondition is not met therefore poses no moral quandary and can be done with a clear conscience.

Quote from: ZakiI am pretty sure this mechanic is in place to discourage people from having 2 chars in the same realm...

Doubtful, as it would be easy and more effective to simply disallow that outright. But, if it is the case, then the moral dilemma posed has to do with having multiple characters in the same realm, rather than transferring gold between them.

Penchant

The moral dilemma arises when a mechanic made specifically for you not to be able to do something, and you decide to just circumvent the mechanic so the mechanic does not affect you. The mechanic was made for many reasons, but it is clear of the obvious, general reason which is to prevent you from giving your other characters gold.
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Kwanstein

The effect of the restriction is that it doesn't allow you to transfer gold directly. However, it doesn't disallow you from transferring indirectly, so, without further deliberation, there is no reason to assume that you are meant to be forbidden from transferring indirectly. Further deliberation has shown that the intentions of this restriction are unrelated to transferring gold indirectly, so, based on what has been said so far, it would appear as though there is nothing wrong with transferring gold indirectly.

Perth

Quote from: Kwanstein on April 04, 2013, 07:51:38 AM
However, it doesn't disallow you from transferring indirectly,

Uh... that's because disallowing that would just disallow transferring gold period. To anyone from anyone.
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Kwanstein

Quote from: Perth on April 04, 2013, 08:23:17 AM
Uh... that's because disallowing that would just disallow transferring gold period. To anyone from anyone.

Hence why it required further deliberation.

Perth

Quote from: Kwanstein on April 04, 2013, 08:31:51 AM
Hence why it required further deliberation.

I think the real answer here is: just don't play two characters in the same realm. It's better that way. Better for the game. More fun for you and more fun for others.
"A tale is but half told when only one person tells it." - The Saga of Grettir the Strong
- Current: Kemen (D'hara) - Past: Kerwin (Eston), Kale (Phantaria, Terran, Melodia)

Dante Silverfire

I think in a vast majority of cases, you shouldn't be doing this even through third parties.

However, I've done this myself as part of a RP arc which I was running. My character on Dwilight transferred around 4-5k gold to his "son" through multiple third parties, such that within a day of creating my character in the new realm (after pausing the first one), my character was most likely the richest noble in Luria, while also having been in the realm less than a day. The gold along with other in-game items, and RP'ed items was termed as the "inheritance" for my new character from the old one. Some of the characters that my first character sent gold to were specifically asked to forward the gold to the new character, while others left that open as a possibility, but also made it as more of a bribe.

What ended up happening was that not all of the gold reached its intended source. Some was held back by the characters that received it, and others never even mentioned the gold to the new character. (Who had no RP reason to even know they had it.)

Did I consider this wrong at all at the time? Nope. It was part of an ongoing RP about my character and was prepped through multiple other characters who each had the opportunity to steal all or part of the gold without my new character having any clue. It turns out he received most (but not all) of the gold. However, there really wasn't any assurance of such.
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