Niselur

[Daimall]

Just because the King of Niselur has thrown off direct church control doesn't mean that the nobles there are all jumping for converting to another religion, just saying. Most I think still have the belief of the Bloodstars.

[Tiridia]

Daimall,

Certainly, that is true. It's all about what catches the fancy. It's going to be hard work with no guarantee of success, with a very possible outcome of a miserable failure. Part of it depends on the new chick and part of it on what the present society prefers. I do not mind a long uphill struggle, or even a failure for that matter, as long as good stories brew out of that soup. Certainly there will be devout stargazers there who will not only remain with their current faith but also throw in some nasty obstacles, even potentially lethal ones. But what I am looking for really is a bunch of nobles who may have been waiting for another option all along.

I am also hoping that the current turbulence might attract more nobility, some of who might have previously rejected Niselur for it's pure focus on SA. I will certainly try to do my part to make things even more interesting. We'll just have to see how it all works out.

[JeVondair]

Do whatever you want, just leave D'Hara & Co. out of it.

[Tiridia]

Do whatever you want, just leave D'Hara & Co. out of it.

Oh, I believe I have my hands full for quite some time still, but thank you for the idea.

;)

[JeVondair]

Oh, I believe I have my hands full for quite some time still, but thank you for the idea.

;)

[Feylonis]

Actually, if Niselur remains technical-Theocracy but with a Monarchy as the government structure, it shouldn't have any problems. After all, it was one of the options presented to FR (switch to Theocracy but keep Republican government style).

[Stabbity]

Its government style is still theocracy, the difference is they now only hold allegiance to their King, not the Church. Its different than with FR, because Niselur is rejecting church authority and renouncing its status as a theocracy of Sanguis Astroism.

[Vellos]

This is why I believe Vellos is trying to incite my character into forming a new religion, so that the church can re-unite the factions against Niselur, and solidify the church.  If King Leopold created a church it would make it seem like he is a power-hungry king, and thus lies the trap.

I think the elders expected Niselur to go full schism, so my proposal was a counter-plan to their plans.

Are you incapable of thinking outside of the realist-interest box?

Hireshmont wasn't trying to incite you to schism. He wasn't trying to incite you to anything. He was trying to talk about theology. It was your character who kept bending it back to politics. Hireshmont, as I've said a million times, is a political idealist, and also a personal idealist. He doesn't use ideals as smokescreens for politics: he uses politics as smokescreens for ideals.

Its government style is still theocracy, the difference is they now only hold allegiance to their King, not the Church. Its different than with FR, because Niselur is rejecting church authority and renouncing its status as a theocracy of Sanguis Astroism.

This.

How so?  I don't see how this affects the study of the Bloodstars, the churches are still in Niselur.  The charter is just some artificial construct.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

lol, so naive.

Ahh.. but it is not as clear-cut as that and people will have doubts as your character's family is infamous backed by the infamous Vellos, or so it seems.

LOL. Alaster backed by Hireshmont. Ha. Haha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's pretty comical.

[Gustav Kuriga]

As yet no consequences for kicking the regent from his estate... surprising.

[Indirik]

why would there be? That was a secular issue, having nothing to do with the church.

[Vellos]

why would there be? That was a secular issue, having nothing to do with the church.

Because in Gustavland the church is a super meddling institution that is determined to do whatever it has to to accrue the maximum amount of secular power, and Mordaunt is a bloodthirsty crusading fanatic.

[Indirik]

Mordaunt is a bloodthirsty crusading fanatic.

Well, that part is true.

[Vellos]

Well, that part is true.

Psh, nah. He's a technocrat.

[Frostwood]

Are you incapable of thinking outside of the realist-interest box?

Hireshmont wasn't trying to incite you to schism. He wasn't trying to incite you to anything. He was trying to talk about theology. It was your character who kept bending it back to politics. Hireshmont, as I've said a million times, is a political idealist, and also a personal idealist. He doesn't use ideals as smokescreens for politics: he uses politics as smokescreens for ideals.

;DI know ;D
I just had some long-term plans that needed some setup, and you helped me immensely, and even more your message to the members of Sanguis Astroism helped them even further.   Alaster Kabrinski helped a lot in this matter as well,  I do apologize for using you dustole :)  However, my plans have yet again spiraled out of control and now are moving way too fast.

[Glaumring the Fox]

  However, my plans have yet again spiraled out of control and now are moving way too fast.

Welcome to Battlemaster  8)