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Atanamir

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Re: Perdan vs Caligus+Friends
« Reply #75: June 06, 2013, 09:08:17 AM »
And then Atanamir backed out and snubbed Armmonia, telling them that Perdan was out of the plan, and Armmonia was left holding the bag.

And because it is so wrong, I will answer at least to this IC part and solve it hopefully once for good:
It is not true, the plan, as you call it, was only Autrey's plan.
Of course, when Perdan didn't support it in the end, she had a reason to be angry.
But Atanamir's plan was not Autrey's plan.

I gladly though explain this once and for all:

Atanamir's plan:
Now, Lance's talks with Atanamir (et alieni) had nothing to with Armonia's attack plan on Eponllyn.
It was to create a friendly realm at the border to Perdan, on which Perdan could rely more than Eponllyn.
Eponllyn should have been limited to Semall area, since it was diplomatically unstable for Perdan, but not get destroyed.
Armonia would have been prevented to attack rest-Eponllyn as its troops would have been in the north.
Therefore there would been now two smaller realms besides Armonia and Armonia would have been safe.
Divide et impera, like with Ibladesh. Create two smaller realms, which can't attack the big one.

Autrey's plan:
Autrey's plan of becoming safe was the offensive one, the open attack. As simple as it is, and undestandable.
Perdan never agreed to this due to following facts:
a) Recreation of single realm again like Ibladesh.
b) Atanamir is against destroying realms in his mentality.
c) Perdan still felt closer to Eponllyn although it was allied with Armonia, since Armonia's alliance was designed to work only in the north.
Armonia's motives in the south were disliked by Perdan, therefore we did everything to delay this attack and find other solutions for the south. This eventually led to the plan with Lance (see above).

Concluding, as you see, they were geopolitically close situated but different motives.

Lance just mixed them when he joined Armonia instead of becoming an independent realm, that is the problem.
But at this point, Atanamir backed out from the secession plan, not from Autrey's plan, and messaged Caligus.
Because he never had agreed on Autrey's plan, at least not before the situation in north would be cleared, and that was far from being cleared. This way Eponllyn would have had enough time to rebuild and have a fair war in the south with the much stronger Armonia.
Because Atanamir (and Perdan in general) does not want realms to get destroyed.

Concluding, secession and the attack of Armonia, these are seperated issues, which Caligus and friends gladly though put in one shoe to get both southern realms as allies and unite them.
Good diplomatic move, but certainly far from the truth.
Dishman is right, Caligus and Armonia are viewed as backstabbers in Perdan therefore, but even more Caligus, since Caligus had nothing to do with all this. Caligus literally jumped the gun in the second when Autrey sent the partial letters of Atanamir to Siana. Literally in this second.
Armonia at least had a real reason to be angry.

Oh and a small add-on: Perdan's offer to Eponllyn for alliance was the initial plan to keep Armonia in the north and have Eponllyn be safe from Armonia due to the diplomatic barrier by Perdan being allied with both. Perdan clearly stated that this alliance had not as intention to have Eponllyn go north. We wouldn't have needed you anyway, as you saw. Siana denied this alliance though, and together with information by Lance that Siana was flirting with Sirion, that led to the Lance plan. You see, even though we knew Eponllyn was not absolutely to be trusted, we didn't want to have them killed by Armonia. Because we (not only Atanamir) don't believe that realms should get destroyed (except if they don't stop the war by themselves, e.g. Ibladesh).

Therefore, everyone, please work in here only with the information you get first hand IC from characters you speak of. And if you simply don't have access to all info, well then don't speak, lol. Otherwise you just spread the IC propaganda, and for my knowledge, this is an OOC area and we should be such honest players to be able to stick to the truth. Otherwise we should better leave this forum because this will only influence and possibly radicalize (as unfortunately often can be seen) players in the wrong way.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 09:25:07 AM by Atanamir »