Religion without priest

[Lefanis]

How long can a religion survive if it loses its last priest? How much time is there for someone else to take up the cloth?

[Indirik]

I think temples start falling apart immediately. Something like one level per day? So you don't have very long before you lose it, unless you have some *really* big temples.

However, I am fairly certain that paused priests still count as active priests for their religion.

[Lefanis]

I think temples start falling apart immediately. Something like one level per day? So you don't have very long before you lose it, unless you have some *really* big temples.

However, I am fairly certain that paused priests still count as active priests for their religion.

Oh ok, that's rough. Thanks.

[Anaris]

I believe it depends in part on the global treasury.

Also, paused priests only count when they have been paused for less than a month. Once they go over that, they're considered unlikely to be coming back.

[Kain]

Also, paused priests only count when they have been paused for less than a month. Once they go over that, they're considered unlikely to be coming back.

I was paused for 1 1/2 years and when I came back Silas (a priest of SA) was no longer part of the religion and no longer a priest. So you get officially kicked out if paused too long.

[Draco Tanos]

When did you bring him back?
Because I could have sworn pausing didn't remove characters fom religions. Now it seems to do so constantly.

[Stabbity]

It didn't used to, but I believe with the most recent pausing system implemented, it now does for Cold Storage.

[Anaris]

It didn't used to, but I believe with the most recent pausing system implemented, it now does for Cold Storage.

This is correct. Any character paused and put into Cold Storage will be removed from all guilds. This includes any autopaused characters (as autopausing simply uses the Cold Storage pause code).

This is because characters put into Cold Storage are—must be—assumed not to be coming back.

[Chenier]

This is correct. Any character paused and put into Cold Storage will be removed from all guilds. This includes any autopaused characters (as autopausing simply uses the Cold Storage pause code).

This is because characters put into Cold Storage are—must be—assumed not to be coming back.

I still strongly disagree with this.

Say you have a dude who is an elder of a religion and part of 7 different guilds on Dwilight. Then, say, you know you'll go on vacation for two weeks without internet access, so you plan to use vacation mode before leaving. But, surprise! !@#$ happens and, before you leave, you don't get that opportunity to go use the vacation mode. Kicked from all guilds! Spend months trying to rejoin all of the guilds, enjoy your balance reset, and screw the logic of being forced out of your class and no longer belonging to the church your preached for for all of these years.

I really don't see the point of kicking out of guilds with a mere autopause.

[Anaris]

I really don't see the point of kicking out of guilds with a mere autopause.

Because the scenario you outline, frustrating as it is, is a once-in-multiple-years occurrence.

The general case of autopausing—people who really won't be coming back for the foreseeable future—is a weekly or even daily occurrence.

And unfortunately, we haven't yet perfected the telepathy module for BattleMaster. Once you can implement one of those, call me and we'll talk about adding it to the autopause code.

[Chenier]

Because the scenario you outline, frustrating as it is, is a once-in-multiple-years occurrence.

The general case of autopausing—people who really won't be coming back for the foreseeable future—is a weekly or even daily occurrence.

And unfortunately, we haven't yet perfected the telepathy module for BattleMaster. Once you can implement one of those, call me and we'll talk about adding it to the autopause code.

The prior situation, where autopause did not generate auto-kick from guilds and religions, seems preferable to the new situation, where it does.

No strip seems preferable to a hasty strip. If you insist that this change was necessary, at least it wouldn't be as bad if the game waited for at least a month (preferably 2) of inactivity to kick from guilds and religions.

[Anaris]

The prior situation, where autopause did not generate auto-kick from guilds and religions, seems preferable to the new situation, where it does.

No strip seems preferable to a hasty strip. If you insist that this change was necessary, at least it wouldn't be as bad if the game waited for at least a month (preferably 2) of inactivity to kick from guilds and religions.

And then we get people complaining about guilds and religions that are surviving for far longer than they should because they have paused elders, or religions with elder memberships that are completely paused and unable to be reclaimed...

No. Like I said, the situations you describe are far less common than people autopausing who are actually never going to come back.

Don't like it? Make sure you set up a proper hierarchy in your guild or religion so that if you autopause, you will have successors who can take over for you and promote you back into your place when you return. If you return.

[Stabbity]

For the love of Tom, do not ever consider not booting people from guild and religions when they auto pause. 99% of them never come back, and then the guild/religion sits there with filled seats, wondering if that person is going to come back or what. 

[Chenier]

Would waiting a month really kill anyone?

[Anaris]

Would waiting a month really kill anyone?

Would getting their positions back really kill anyone?

Look, if you don't have enough clout within the guild or religion to get your positions given back immediately, or didn't plan well enough so that you had trusted successors rather than people who would betray you and work to keep you out, then perhaps you didn't deserve to have them in the first place.

BattleMaster is, and always will be, designed to make things work smoothly for the people who play it. Not for the people who are coming back after being gone for 3 months, when there is conflict between the two. Sorry, but that's the right way to design it, whether you like it or not.