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Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Topic Start: June 26, 2013, 11:18:23 PM »
Summary:Accusation of cheating with no proof
Violation:Accusation of cheating with no proof
World:Far East
Complainer:Anne-Marie Ruske
About:Anakoi

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Out-of-Character from Anakoi Ironhorse   (1 hour, 20 minutes ago)

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Someone report Corondor as a cheat account, I cant find where to do it

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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #1: June 27, 2013, 04:19:50 AM »
Context, please.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #2: June 27, 2013, 09:06:43 AM »
There probably isn't any.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #3: June 27, 2013, 10:06:38 AM »
Probably just a case of bad wording, he should have asked where to report a cheater rather than ask someone else to report it.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #4: June 27, 2013, 10:56:52 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but based on my interactions with the player I would assume Ebglish isn't his first language. Its pretty solid but there are some gaps, and this may be one.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #5: June 27, 2013, 01:47:05 PM »
Corondor was a character of the Mugurk family.

The context (having used my Devly powers to peer into the realm) appears to be that the player is leaving the game.

I haven't the faintest clue why a player leaving the game is cause for accusing him of being a cheater.

I also haven't the faintest clue why the "Contact the Titans" link is so hard for Ironhorse to find, particularly when he had to go right past it to post this message.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #6: June 27, 2013, 06:20:59 PM »
Is he new to the realm? IIRC the Titans link doesn't show up until you've been in the realm for a short while. (2 weeks?) If not, then ... maybe he's just never had to do a Titans report before?
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #7: June 27, 2013, 06:28:26 PM »
Well, the statement is obviously poorly chosen. A warning would seem to be in order. Next time, ask "How do I report cheating?", not "Hey, that's guy's cheating, can someone report him?"
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #8: June 27, 2013, 06:30:08 PM »
Quote from: Indirik on June 27, 2013, 06:20:59 PM
Is he new to the realm? IIRC the Titans link doesn't show up until you've been in the realm for a short while. (2 weeks?) If not, then ... maybe he's just never had to do a Titans report before?

This is Ironhorse—he's been around for ages, and the information I have suggests he's been in Ohnar West for over a year.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #9: June 28, 2013, 02:57:40 AM »
Quote from: Stabbity on June 27, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but based on my interactions with the player I would assume Ebglish isn't his first language. Its pretty solid but there are some gaps, and this may be one.

His English is fine.

 
Quote from: Geronus on June 27, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
Well, the statement is obviously poorly chosen. A warning would seem to be in order. Next time, ask "How do I report cheating?", not "Hey, that's guy's cheating, can someone report him?"

Directly referencing me as a cheater implicitly accuses me of being a cheater.

http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,1389.75.html

Precedent is set here as a 3 day lock.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #10: June 28, 2013, 04:43:17 AM »
Umm... I don't see requesting someone else file a report as the kind of accusation we're talking about.

It's lazy, sure, but I don't see it as breaking the rule itself.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #11: June 28, 2013, 05:15:25 AM »
Err...what? Publicly asking that someone be reported as a cheater has the exact same result as a public accusation: people now think that the accused is or could be a cheater while no proof has been provided. Which is exactly what the Rule is intended to prevent.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #12: June 28, 2013, 05:38:14 AM »
Personally, I gotta agree with Velax here. Asking for someone to be reported as a cheater is a declaration that you think they are a cheater. "Can someone report Kepler as a cheater?" is no different than saying "Kepler is a cheater."
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #13: June 28, 2013, 05:40:31 AM »
As an aside: The reporter of this incident tried to open a forum account, but it was held in limbo by the spambot filter. I have approved her forum account, so she can speak for herself in this case.
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Re: Accusation of cheating with no proof
« Reply #14: June 28, 2013, 05:46:00 AM »
Quote from: Velax on June 28, 2013, 05:15:25 AM
Err...what? Publicly asking that someone be reported as a cheater has the exact same result as a public accusation: people now think that the accused is or could be a cheater while no proof has been provided. Which is exactly what the Rule is intended to prevent.

Yes.

Quote from: DamnTaffer on June 28, 2013, 02:57:40 AM

Directly referencing me as a cheater implicitly accuses me of being a cheater.

http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,1389.75.html

Precedent is set here as a 3 day lock.

The circumstances in that case were rather more extreme. We will keep this precedent in mind when we vote, however.
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