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Realm Merger of Tara and Coria
Geronus:
--- Quote from: Dante Silverfire on July 06, 2013, 10:45:19 PM ---In that case, why does the game continue to recognize realms that lose their last city? I'm not talking about the need for manual deletion but shouldn't the game automatically force all regions and nobles of the realm rogue then once they lose their last city because the realm is dead under your interpretation?
Yet, the game continues to recognize the realm as functioning. Militia can still be recruited and armies still utilized. In addition, all RP I have seen indicates that the playerbase believes a realm to still exist so long as it holds regions and nobles both.
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You are correct on the technical aspects of this statement, but you are missing what I believe to be the intent of the rule. It is intended to prevent realms from peacefully agreeing to band together to form superpowers, as this stifles conflict. If two realms have been at war and one of them is eventually beaten down and surrenders, it is acceptable for that realm to agree to terms that involve its regions being transferred away, within the limits of game mechanics. It's the two realms at peace merging together that we're trying to prevent. You can point out that Tara and Coria are at peace, but the important element in this case is that Coria has been effectively destroyed; with no capital, the realm is doomed. Its nobles cannot recruit or cash bonds, and its regions are slowly going rogue with no capital support. Their decision as a defeated realm to join Tara is acceptable within the spirit of the realm merger rule, or at least that is my interpretation.
Seeing as I'm rather close to this case (being a noble of Silnaria) I will recuse myself from voting on the outcome.
Sacha:
--- Quote from: Dante Silverfire on July 06, 2013, 10:45:19 PM ---In that case, why does the game continue to recognize realms that lose their last city? I'm not talking about the need for manual deletion but shouldn't the game automatically force all regions and nobles of the realm rogue then once they lose their last city because the realm is dead under your interpretation?
Yet, the game continues to recognize the realm as functioning. Militia can still be recruited and armies still utilized. In addition, all RP I have seen indicates that the playerbase believes a realm to still exist so long as it holds regions and nobles both.
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You're the one who kept claiming Coria was a dead realm, but now they're suddenly quite alive? Can't have your cake and eat it too, you know.
Dante Silverfire:
--- Quote from: Sacha on July 06, 2013, 11:00:43 PM ---You're the one who kept claiming Coria was a dead realm, but now they're suddenly quite alive? Can't have your cake and eat it too, you know.
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Wrong. That was my character not me. Everyone else's characters disagreed of course.
Dante Silverfire:
--- Quote from: Geronus on July 06, 2013, 10:56:06 PM ---You are correct on the technical aspects of this statement, but you are missing what I believe to be the intent of the rule. It is intended to prevent realms from peacefully agreeing to band together to form superpowers, as this stifles conflict. If two realms have been at war and one of them is eventually beaten down and surrenders, it is acceptable for that realm to agree to terms that involve its regions being transferred away, within the limits of game mechanics. It's the two realms at peace merging together that we're trying to prevent. You can point out that Tara and Coria are at peace, but the important element in this case is that Coria has been effectively destroyed; with no capital, the realm is doomed. Its nobles cannot recruit or cash bonds, and its regions are slowly going rogue with no capital support. Their decision as a defeated realm to join Tara is acceptable within the spirit of the realm merger rule, or at least that is my interpretation.
Seeing as I'm rather close to this case (being a noble of Silnaria) I will recuse myself from voting on the outcome.
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Well based upon Anaris' s stated purpose for this rule in my Q and A thread about realm mergers you are wrong about the purpose of the rule therefore your interpretation is invalid. The point of the rule is that no Ruler would ever accede that another Ruler is their sovereign. As Coria had a ruler, functioning regions, and recruiting capabilities that allowed it to continue surviving for weeks I think this falls underneath a realm merger. Tara and Coria were at peace. Thus that tenet also applies.
GoldPanda:
I would like to note that this case is very similar to the other current case:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,4405.0.html
I hope that the Magistrates will rule consistently, or else provide clear guidelines on what is and is not allowed.
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