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Pick three islands to Keep

Atamara
27 (14.2%)
Beluaterra
29 (15.3%)
Colonies
15 (7.9%)
Dwilight
55 (28.9%)
East Continent
32 (16.8%)
Far East Island
32 (16.8%)

Total Members Voted: 77

Voting closed: August 30, 2013, 03:14:16 PM

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #45: August 03, 2013, 08:09:51 PM »
About half the player-base plays on Dwilight alone.

Careful with wording here.

Only 8 people play solely on Dwilight. The continent with the most players only on that continent is Atamara, at 32.
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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #46: August 03, 2013, 09:57:43 PM »
Isn't Atamara still the recommended starter continent? How many of those players are on their first character?

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #47: August 04, 2013, 12:00:24 AM »
Careful with wording here.

Only 8 people play solely on Dwilight. The continent with the most players only on that continent is Atamara, at 32.

You know that doesn't help your case... That just means people who play on Dwilight are more likely to contribute characters on other continents, and therefore not a part of the issue with character density. Whereas players on Atamara tend towards only contributing to one continent, and are not playing on other continents.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #48: August 04, 2013, 02:43:57 AM »
Yeah. If they used up their other slots that's like 60 characters for the other game worlds.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #49: August 04, 2013, 02:57:13 AM »
You know that doesn't help your case...
He's not making a case. He's pointing out the error in your wording. Your statement implied that half of the playerbase *only* plays on Dwilight and no other island at all.
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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #50: August 04, 2013, 03:24:58 AM »
He's not making a case. He's pointing out the error in your wording. Your statement implied that half of the playerbase *only* plays on Dwilight and no other island at all.

I actually never got that implication from the initial post. To me it read as half the player base having a character there.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #51: August 04, 2013, 04:35:37 AM »
He's not making a case. He's pointing out the error in your wording. Your statement implied that half of the playerbase *only* plays on Dwilight and no other island at all.

No, my statement implied that Dwilight *alone* has half the player base playing on it.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #52: August 04, 2013, 05:05:39 AM »
Sentences can imply many things. It's up to the writer and the reader to work together to find out their meanings. For instance, in that last sentence which meanings were I talking about, the meanings of sentences or the meanings of the writer and reader?

And when the knight stabs a guy with a sword, is it a knight using a sword to stab a guy or is it a guy with a sword getting stabbed by a knight.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #53: August 04, 2013, 05:18:21 AM »
Also, I voted for Dwilight because it's the only place that I know of that has a significant (or even noticeable) level of interaction and also because the diplomacy isn't yet predictable and repetitive the way it is elsewhere.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #54: August 04, 2013, 07:57:17 AM »
Yeah. If they used up their other slots that's like 60 characters for the other game worlds.

Since these 32 people probably choose not to play on the other islands, it's entirely possible that they would just quit, and wouldn't help the density of the other islands.

It's also possible that some of them would launch a character on each of the remaining islands and after finding one they like, double up there like they did an Atamara and then pause their other characters.

Which continent is most like Atamara, in terms of feel? FEI?

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #55: August 04, 2013, 07:59:56 AM »
Since these 32 people probably choose not to play on the other islands, it's entirely possible that they would just quit, and wouldn't help the density of the other islands.

It's also possible that some of them would launch a character on each of the remaining islands and after finding one they like, double up there like they did an Atamara and then pause their other characters.

Which continent is most like Atamara, in terms of feel? FEI?

Probably East Island, since it has new realms but the same deadlocked feeling to it.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #56: August 04, 2013, 05:07:05 PM »
Since these 32 people probably choose not to play on the other islands, it's entirely possible that they would just quit, and wouldn't help the density of the other islands.


No I meant right now they could be providing 60 characters and then we might not have to close anything.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #57: August 04, 2013, 08:57:16 PM »
Maybe we should start expanding the 1 character per continent to other continents. I've never been a fan of changing the rules after the fact, but if we are going to close a whole continent, it doesn't seem as bad anymore, in comparison.

The solution may not be more characters per players (though I do understand the point some raise that lowering the max noble count of newbies is likely to be rather bad measure despite how I originally held it as being a good way to reward long-time players), but spreading players around a bit. I've always thought that forcing this upon newbies would likely be good for player retention... but perhaps it wouldn't limit itself to that. That rule really has dramatic impacts on inter-character interactions. When one has two nobles in the same realm, in the vast majority of cases the second character is just a bland drone that serves as an extension of the former and nothing else. The 1 character rule makes things more dynamic, which can only help making realms more fun, and thus improve retention everywhere. It might also force players to diversify the realms they play in a bit, and they might just realize they like those new realms too and want to invest themselves there.

I'd propose, for max noble/ active character count:

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Overall, though, I'd reiterate my previous points: We will not fix BM's problem by shutting down continents. This is a band-aid solution. It will make things better for a while, but there's no reason to believe it would, in any way, reverse the decline. The only solution to that problem is to make the game more fun. So the main objects of discussion should not be how many islands we shut down and which, but how do we reverse the trend of player decline? Because if that is not addressed, it doesn't matter which continent we shut down first, in the end we'll be shutting them all down.
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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #58: August 05, 2013, 04:55:27 PM »
Shutting down a continent, and raising density, will make people feel like they are playing a game with others, rather than playing by themselves in a digital wasteland.

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Re: Which islands do you want to keep?
« Reply #59: August 05, 2013, 05:09:40 PM »
Shutting down a continent, and raising density, will make people feel like they are playing a game with others, rather than playing by themselves in a digital wasteland.

Yes it will, but alone it will not solve the problem of player retention.

Edit after vote:

Dwilight: good atmosphere and is a test island, if we should keep one of them, Dwilight is an interesting one.

Colonies: never played there, but it gives you a diferent pace on the game with only one turn, this might be good for those who really don't have much time to play
« Last Edit: August 05, 2013, 07:19:17 PM by Naidraug »
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