Ducal prestige penalties and bonuses

[pcw27]

Title: Ducal prestige penalties and bonuses

Summary: When a lord switches duchies this causes a loss of prestige for the duke he is abandoning and a prestige bonus to the duke he is joining.
   
Details: Already stepping down from a lordship costs a point of prestige. Why shouldn't losing a region be equally if not more costly? After all these kind of land disputes could lead to wars. Prestige loss/gain should vary based on the value of the region, a mountain or badlands region could be worth as little as a single point, a city or townsland could be worth several. Regions will always carry equal bonuses and penalties for a change of allegiance. If a duke can convince a lord to return he can earn his prestige back.

Benefits: Creates greater potential for conflict and the forming of factions within realms. Encourages the players of Dukes to adhere more to medieval values.

Possible Exploits: Since the most likely reason for changing duchies is avoiding high ducal taxes this might result in dukes keeping their taxes equal to discourage lords from changing regions. Dukes will probably keep cities for themselves to prevent the risk of them changing duchies.

[Indirik]

The exploit here is a band of griefers destroying the duke's prestige by swapping in and out of the duchy. This can even be plotted to appear in such a way as to be completely IC.

Given that dukes cannot control who goes in and out of their duchy, and that prestige can be so difficult to gain, I am 100% against this feature.

[Buffalkill]

What is a griefer?

[Wolfang]

Someone that spends their time simply annoying other people for the sake of it. It's a pretty common gaming term.

[Stabbity]

Put a timer on it. If the person had changed duchies in the last two months or so, no prestige penalty.

[Eirikr]

Put a timer on it. If the person had changed duchies in the last two months or so, no prestige penalty.

Just a note, it'd have to be bound on a per-character basis or it'd lose its purpose on a per-region basis. (Forgive me if anyone thought this was obvious.)

[pcw27]

The exploit here is a band of griefers destroying the duke's prestige by swapping in and out of the duchy. This can even be plotted to appear in such a way as to be completely IC.

That could be negated by adding an equal prestige bonus when a region joins a duchy.

Also there's a waiting period for changing your allegiance. If it's too short it can be increased.

[Zakilevo]

Why not make this the other way around?

Make lords lose honor and prestige for switching duchies! 

[Buffalkill]

Why not make this the other way around?

Make lords lose honor and prestige for switching duchies! 

Because Dukes should be able to influence Lords with their superior leadership qualities.

[pcw27]

Why not make this the other way around?

Make lords lose honor and prestige for switching duchies! 

I could see a loss of honor but not prestige.

The point is to drive conflict not discourage people from changing duchies.

[Buffalkill]

Or both. Lord loses honour, Duke loses prestige. Everybody loses. That way the lord doesn't switch without good reason, and the duke has an incentive to try to keep him from switching.

[pcw27]

Yeah I meant both honor loss for the lord and prestige for a duke.

[vonGenf]

Make it a carrot instead of a stick. All Dukes could receive a temporary +1 prestige for every Lord sworn to him. This works like unique items: when the Lord leaves, the +1 disappears, but the Duke can never get below his original prestige level.

This also neatly avoid all griefers issues.

[Anaris]

Make it a carrot instead of a stick. All Dukes could receive a temporary +1 prestige for every Lord sworn to him. This works like unique items: when the Lord leaves, the +1 disappears, but the Duke can never get below his original prestige level.

This also neatly avoid all griefers issues.

I've grown increasingly fond of methods like this of applying both bonuses and penalties in recent months...if we do make some kind of incentive for Dukes to keep Lords in their duchies, I think it should look a lot like this.

[pcw27]

Make it a carrot instead of a stick. All Dukes could receive a temporary +1 prestige for every Lord sworn to him. This works like unique items: when the Lord leaves, the +1 disappears, but the Duke can never get below his original prestige level.

This also neatly avoid all griefers issues.

That would also work if when they first become Duke they receive a temporary +1 for every region already in the duchy.