Oh I was just saying that's how I feel about regions, but I don't think the ruler really needs a penalty. In fact I think if the Dukes could lose prestige and the Ruler couldn't (unless they were Dukes too) could drive a wedge between Kings and Dukes, which is good as it makes realms more prone to internal conflict.
There is no penalty, only a bonus, or lack of one, with the prior suggestions.
