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Kwanstein

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Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Topic Start: October 04, 2013, 06:37:45 AM »
Title: Increase Family Wealth Limit

Summary: The top twenty wealthiest families have maxed out their family wealth, and there is currently nothing to do with wealth, so the limit must be raised further.

Details: Without any way to spend wealth or stockpile it, it is useless to have. Therefore some measure must be taken. The most immediate action would be to increase the family wealth limit.

Benefits: This will give wealth a meaning.

Possible exploits: None.

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #1: October 04, 2013, 07:03:59 AM »
there is currently nothing to do with wealth

So why raise the total amount? It seems pointless to increase the amount you can stockpile before any new features are added to spend family wealth on. Besides, isn't 20,000 gold enough? How many realms have been drained of tax returns to build those stockpiles? Past the point where it actually does anything in the game, family wealth just becomes a fairly meaningless number on a high score chart... raise it to 30,000 gold, and then when the top 20 families max that out, someone will ask for it to be raised to 40,000 gold.

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #2: October 04, 2013, 07:07:51 AM »
I agree with Foxglove. Better to add things to do with that wealth than raise the limit when it already serves little purpose.

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #3: October 04, 2013, 07:17:08 AM »
Adding additional features is a good solution.

But so is raising the wealth cap.

It is possible for there to be two solutions.

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« Reply #4: October 04, 2013, 07:21:30 AM »
Adding additional features is a good solution.

But so is raising the wealth cap.

It is possible for there to be two solutions.

It doesn't add anything to the game. It is there for pointless. Tom thought raising the limit to 20,000 would actually make things harder for people to be in the top 20 but he was wrong. Very wrong. Within a week, people began to reach 20,000 gold. If you really want to know the true meaning of wealth, why not make it limitless?

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #5: October 04, 2013, 07:28:38 AM »
But so is raising the wealth cap.

What is it the solution to, exactly? People's insatiable need to collect [email protected]#$? How exactly is making the limit 30,000 or 40,000 or 500,000 a solution to the fact that that much family wealth is useless?

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« Reply #6: October 04, 2013, 07:31:04 AM »
Adding additional features is a good solution.

But so is raising the wealth cap.

It is possible for there to be two solutions.

I think you need to explain more clearly why you think raising the wealth cap is a good idea and why it's a problem that 20 families have reached the current cap. The thing I'm not understanding at the moment is what it would achieve to raise that cap. Is it just to allow players to get their families even higher up the high score table of family wealth?

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #7: October 04, 2013, 07:48:49 AM »
Problem the first: you have this link called 'Top Families' which lists the top families sorted by wealth. This is rendered pointless if all of the families have the same amount of wealth.

Problem the second: you have gold, which is currently pointless because there is nothing to spend it on.

The procedure: increase wealth cap. It takes negligible effort to do this, and it provides benefits.

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #8: October 04, 2013, 07:53:27 AM »
I dont agree with this, the first problem aint really a problem. While increasing the wealth limit doesnt really solve the 2nd one.
And if there are ways to spend family gold, the first problem wont be that prevalent anymore.
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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #9: October 04, 2013, 07:54:32 AM »
Problem the first: you have this link called 'Top Families' which lists the top families sorted by wealth. This is rendered pointless if all of the families have the same amount of wealth.

Problem the second: you have gold, which is currently pointless because there is nothing to spend it on.

The procedure: increase wealth cap. It takes negligible effort to do this, and it provides benefits.

Not really, If we increase it say 10,000 gold, then within a month the same 20 families will probably have maxed it out again.
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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #10: October 04, 2013, 07:56:31 AM »
The procedure: increase wealth cap. It takes negligible effort to do this, and it provides benefits.

What benefits? What benefits will this provide to compensate for another 200,000 gold being drained out of realms that could use it to wage war?

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #11: October 04, 2013, 08:21:53 AM »
Can you explain why this is a problem in the first problem? It doesn't impact the game in anyway in my eyes.

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #12: October 04, 2013, 08:57:31 AM »
Can you explain why this is a problem in the first problem? It doesn't impact the game in anyway in my eyes.

There is a feature in the game called Top Families. It is meant to rank families based on wealth. If there is no distinction in wealth then it is broken.

What benefits? What benefits will this provide to compensate for another 200,000 gold being drained out of realms that could use it to wage war?

It fixes the Top Family feature and allows people to spend their excess gold (currently there is not enough stuff to spend gold on).

Not really, If we increase it say 10,000 gold, then within a month the same 20 families will probably have maxed it out again.

Then increase it again after a month. The workload of changing 20,000 to 30,000 to 40,000 is negligible, so it would be no problem if the maximum limit were reached again in the future. You could even plan for that eventuality by increasing the wealth cap even further to begin with. It is not a problem that ingenuity cannot solve.

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« Reply #13: October 04, 2013, 08:59:53 AM »
I would suggest that the family wealth statistic be adjusted. Instead of basing family wealth on stockpiled gold, base it on the combined earnings of all family members. Earnings could include taxes, trades, looting, theft, and transfers. Calculate earnings on a rolling, one month period. I think that this would do a great job of calculating wealth while not encouraging players to hoard gold.

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Re: Increase Family Wealth Limit
« Reply #14: October 04, 2013, 09:00:01 AM »
Problem the first: you have this link called 'Top Families' which lists the top families sorted by wealth. This is rendered pointless if all of the families have the same amount of wealth.

This problem could also be solved by not looking at the top families ranking. It is pointless in the first place.

Problem the second: you have gold, which is currently pointless because there is nothing to spend it on.

I would like to have more things to spend family wealth on; nevertheless is it not true that there is currently nothing to spend it on, and increasing the cap will only put more gold into a sinkhole with little spending options.
After all it's a roleplaying game.