Author Topic: Farronite-Aslyon Merger  (Read 49461 times)

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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #90: January 17, 2014, 09:15:52 PM »
So in all practicality, blaming the duchess for what duchy the lords happened to have their region in is kind of ludicrous.

I'm not here to agree or disagree... But don't you have this backwards? The Duchess took the action, the Lords are always along for the ride if they don't have any warning. The Duchess is the only one that could shoulder the blame.

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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #91: January 17, 2014, 11:42:14 PM »
I'm not here to agree or disagree... But don't you have this backwards? The Duchess took the action, the Lords are always along for the ride if they don't have any warning. The Duchess is the only one that could shoulder the blame.

But at the same time, the action is easily reversible. All one had to was be in the capital, and witch allegiance back. None did that.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #92: January 18, 2014, 02:25:03 AM »
Which has nothing whatsoever with the original act being right or wrong.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #93: January 18, 2014, 06:09:46 AM »
But at the same time, the action is easily reversible. All one had to was be in the capital, and witch allegiance back. None did that.

What Indirik said. I'm just pointing out who actually has to pull the trigger. It's cliche, but it's a popular theme these days that 'I was just following orders' isn't a sufficient excuse for taking the shot.

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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #94: January 18, 2014, 09:41:25 AM »
I think it should be noted that FR's Ruler and lord of Golden Farrow (the last remaining region in FR) eventually joined Asylon anyway after the city went rogue. I did not notice any real effort to even keep GF; it's like we just waited for taxes before jumping ship into a different realm (D'Hara for my character, Asylon for the last FR Ruler). That makes everything seem like a realm merger, personally.

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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #95: January 18, 2014, 01:02:10 PM »
If that was the case, we would do something to claim the lost city and that's not the case at all. You cannot blame someone for realm merger when there isn't a realm merging, but a duchy.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #96: January 18, 2014, 01:19:39 PM »
Which has nothing whatsoever with the original act being right or wrong.

According to a very small number of magistrates I noted. I'm interested in who voted (not how they voted) and whether anyone with close connections to the case voted. It was a very close vote.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #97: January 18, 2014, 03:19:51 PM »
Which is, again, irrelevant. Someone brought a case, it got discussed, and voted. But if you want to know who voted, ask them. Maybe they will tell you.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #98: January 18, 2014, 07:21:27 PM »
It might be relevant to the credibility of the decision and the magistrate "experiment".

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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #99: January 18, 2014, 11:26:03 PM »
I think it should be noted that FR's Ruler and lord of Golden Farrow (the last remaining region in FR) eventually joined Asylon anyway after the city went rogue. I did not notice any real effort to even keep GF; it's like we just waited for taxes before jumping ship into a different realm (D'Hara for my character, Asylon for the last FR Ruler). That makes everything seem like a realm merger, personally.

False. The Ruler of FR never left, even after the city starved itself rogue. On the note of starvation, you were the steward, with a 30% estate.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #100: January 19, 2014, 01:48:33 AM »
I think we should have the right to know who the magistrates of the case are.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #101: January 19, 2014, 03:28:57 AM »
Which is, again, irrelevant. Someone brought a case, it got discussed, and voted. But if you want to know who voted, ask them. Maybe they will tell you.

Its completely relevant. For example, if you voted, I'd consider it biased voting. Magistrates in the past have excused themselves from voting on cases they're personally involved in, and this should be the standard. A panel of silent, invisible jurors/judges does no good for anyone. I personally believe your attitude towards this case is because of your personal involvement. Back when the Terran/D'hara merger almost happened, your attitude was a full 180. !@#$, based on what was discussed there, all Khari has to do is say she was surrendering to Asylon in the war against Luria.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #102: January 19, 2014, 03:50:52 AM »
I think we should have the right to know who the magistrates of the case are.
The Magistrates are the same for every case. The public list is available here:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,1071.0.html


Its completely relevant. For example, if you voted, I'd consider it biased voting.
I'm not a Magistrate. See the above list.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #103: January 19, 2014, 05:15:52 AM »
Thanks Indirik.
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Re: Farronite-Aslyon Merger
« Reply #104: January 19, 2014, 09:10:32 AM »
Yes, thank you, I've been wondering if there was a list.
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