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Started by Anaris, December 25, 2013, 10:43:01 PM

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Forbes Family

I have always seen badland regions as garbage regions but they do hold strategic value so as Duke I was willing to support the Lords with financial aid. I would never want to see a knight holding oath to one of these lords though.
Forbes Family

Chenier

So what was the net result in terms of raw food and gold output for Dwilight? I just can't see any difference on the stats page...
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trying

Well it would have been nice if after the rebalance they set all weather region to "good" so it would be easier to tell the difference.

trying


Chenier

Quote from: Forbes Family on January 16, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
I have always seen badland regions as garbage regions but they do hold strategic value so as Duke I was willing to support the Lords with financial aid. I would never want to see a knight holding oath to one of these lords though.

Actually, they sound like good regions to give to dukes, since they'll tax all of the other lords of their duchies anyways.

Quote from: trying on March 14, 2014, 11:05:50 PM
huh so we were right.

Indeed. Will we get to roast more monsters?
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Penchant

Quote from: Chénier on March 15, 2014, 07:06:19 PM
Actually, they sound like good regions to give to dukes, since they'll tax all of the other lords of their duchy anyways.
Because the greedy duke is so going to settle for a badlands. Every duke I know of has a region, and it is always of a city, stronghold, or townsland.
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Dishman

Quote from: Penchant on March 16, 2014, 04:48:38 AM
Because the greedy duke is so going to settle for a badlands. Every duke I know of has a region, and it is always of a city, stronghold, or townsland.

I've always wondered about this. Maybe it is far more fun to get all the gold and have to divy it up for every knight in the realm.

Some of the badlands have far better names to be lord of than the cities to me, so I'd prefer to let the mechanics distribute the gold.
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Chenier

Quote from: Penchant on March 16, 2014, 04:48:38 AM
Because the greedy duke is so going to settle for a badlands. Every duke I know of has a region, and it is always of a city, stronghold, or townsland.

Give me a big enough duchy to tax, and I'll take the desert, I don't mind. ;)

Paisland is of greater emotinal value to Machiavel than it is of fianancial value. He was the first to build that region from the ground up, and did so a few times, and it always served him as a great region when he wasn't lord of Paisly itself.
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Lorgan

I've actually given up my city and assigned myself a mediocre rural, not to spread around the gold more equally but to create another rich and powerful bastard in my realm.

But speaking a few months later, I admit that it really stings to see a lord earn more than you, his duke... That's why I decided to add another mediocre rural to my personal domain a little while ago when no lord candidate presented himself. It didn't quite help the stingy feeling or my finances but on the plus side, I feel pretty cool ruling directly over two regions.  8)

And it's a good precedent. *whistles*

Chenier

Quote from: Lorgan on March 16, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
I've actually given up my city and assigned myself a mediocre rural, not to spread around the gold more equally but to create another rich and powerful bastard in my realm.

But speaking a few months later, I admit that it really stings to see a lord earn more than you, his duke... That's why I decided to add another mediocre rural to my personal domain a little while ago when no lord candidate presented himself. It didn't quite help the stingy feeling or my finances but on the plus side, I feel pretty cool ruling directly over two regions.  8)

And it's a good precedent. *whistles*

Run higher ducal taxes!
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Bael

Quote from: Lorgan on March 16, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
I've actually given up my city and assigned myself a mediocre rural, not to spread around the gold more equally but to create another rich and powerful bastard in my realm.

But speaking a few months later, I admit that it really stings to see a lord earn more than you, his duke... That's why I decided to add another mediocre rural to my personal domain a little while ago when no lord candidate presented himself. It didn't quite help the stingy feeling or my finances but on the plus side, I feel pretty cool ruling directly over two regions.  8)

And it's a good precedent. *whistles*

Hmm, I didn't know you could control more than  one?

Eirikr

I think dukes also tend to have cities, etc. because that used to be a requirement and most duchies are still from before that change was made. New dukes, admittedly, aren't keen on embracing that change.

Anaris

And there's no reason they have to. The change was to make it possible, not mandatory.

It can, however, be smart. I know of at least a few savvy Dukes who have won themselves lifelong supporters by appointing someone else as the Margrave of a city within their duchy...
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Chenier

Quote from: Eirikr on March 16, 2014, 09:15:11 PM
I think dukes also tend to have cities, etc. because that used to be a requirement and most duchies are still from before that change was made. New dukes, admittedly, aren't keen on embracing that change.

Sure, it's no longer hard-coded that duke=city lord, but lords of cities and townslands are STILL the only candidates to be promoted to become dukes. Dukes also have the power to appoint themselves to their duchy's best region whenever it opens up. Hardly surprising that most dukes are city lords.

Quote from: Anaris on March 16, 2014, 09:30:33 PM
And there's no reason they have to. The change was to make it possible, not mandatory.

It can, however, be smart. I know of at least a few savvy Dukes who have won themselves lifelong supporters by appointing someone else as the Margrave of a city within their duchy...

Machiavel was lord of Paisly for large periods of time, but he also wasn't for significant periods of time as well, letting another hold the seat instead. Not sure how common this sort of thing is, but I'm pretty sure it does happen here and there.
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Quote from: Chénier on March 17, 2014, 12:39:40 AM
Sure, it's no longer hard-coded that duke=city lord, but lords of cities and townslands are STILL the only candidates to be promoted to become dukes. Dukes also have the power to appoint themselves to their duchy's best region whenever it opens up. Hardly surprising that most dukes are city lords.

I believe that this is false. If you are a lord of a rural/woodsland/mountain/badlands region, I'm pretty sure you can still be made duke.