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Anaris

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Re: Attack on Sasrhas!
« Reply #120: February 24, 2015, 06:53:30 PM »
Ok im going to stop you right there.  I have tried to keep this as ooc as possible but seeing as how multiple rulers are using this forum to openly mislead (and in some cases out right lie) just to promote or justify there IC actions im going to lay down whats actually been happening IC.

Please never call someone a liar unless you have a strong reason to believe that they are telling deliberate falsehoods.

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As such when Cathay and Zonasa joined the war i attempted to settle a treaty between Ohnar west and Sorraine.  I then sent a further message ooc to explain my reasons for this.  A few days later a treaty was semi finalized amongst the "allied" realms, no complaint was made by Zonasa or Cathay during this process.  A final draft was written up and a full day after that it was sent to the ruler of Sorraine.  IT WAS ONLY AFTER THEN THAT SUDDENLY YOU HAD ISSUES WITH IT, Baranion then wrote several passive aggressive and generically demeaning letters about how Arcaea had stepped on his sovereignty (stating that his character was ill so im guessing  he has missed a few turns so had not seen the drafts).

You sent out a draft on a weekend, which any BattleMaster player of longer than 3 months should know are times of lower activity, which would bind two realms over which you had only the loosest jurisdiction to a course of action that was not necessarily in their best interest. Then you decided that silence meant approval, and waited less than 3 full days (IIRC) before declaring that it was a done deal.

There are several problems here, but from where I sit, it looks like the biggest one is that you assumed that because Velax was Emperor, and Dawn is his successor, Dawn gets to dictate what other realms of the Empire do unilaterally.

Velax never operated that way, so this felt like a serious slap in the face.

Furthermore, when dealing with just about anyone, you should really make sure that you've got positive agreement (rather than just a lack of objection) before doing something as serious as saying that another realm isn't allowed to fight a war anymore. (Especially on a continent where there are very limited possibilities for war, which, at the time, the FEI most definitely was.)

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Probably, but thats largely down to inexperience. 

And I'm perfectly willing to make some allowances for inexperience. (Baranion somewhat less so.) But you say this as if it doesn't even matter that you might possibly have done something not-quite-perfectly, and then continue to basically insult me, as if the whole situation was something I schemed up to upset you.

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As for my mishandling the situation with Claudio.....  he had sabotaged the main army during a time of war, caused vast amounts of strife even before the current crisis including but not limited to threatening to punish players for not moving out of his duchy when they didn't log on, citing promises that know one in the council new anything about and when dialogue and communication was attempted left ultimatums saying he was going to Secede anyway regardless of what anyone thought going as far as to bring a foreign powers military to hold his hand while doing so (not to mention this was after he ran a failed election campaign stating that he had no intention of seceding).

I don't pretend to know everything that went on within Arcaea leading up to the secession, but it's painfully clear that you mishandled him. I was in communication with Claudio intermittently throughout, and there wasn't the slightest hint of him being dissatisfied with Arcaea until you tried to deny his right to secede at the time of his choosing. His duchy would still be part of Arcaea now if you had handled that situation properly.

And, as you say, it's down to inexperience. And frankly, I think anyone expecting a player who's never had a ruler character before to take rulership in Arcaea of all places, in the middle of the war that was already heating up, and get everything to come out perfect, is delusional. Given that you've never had a ruler before, I'd say you're probably doing pretty well.

But that doesn't change the situation IC, or make the criticisms I've made of how Dawn handled things any less valid. It just explains why they happened.
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