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Tom

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #255: June 16, 2015, 06:56:54 AM »
Northmen want to go on a very, very hard quest, but they have lots of money.

Ok, here is how exchanging items works: You tell me what you want to exchange for whom. Basically, like a sale, but additionally, which item to replace. This I will have to resolve manually, so please use sparingly.

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #256: June 16, 2015, 07:02:39 AM »
Tom I still have no idea how replace will work. Will they abandon their !@#$tier item for more expensive one?

How does it exactly work?

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #257: June 16, 2015, 07:04:16 AM »
I want to sell both my staff of fireball and staff +2 to Northmen's wizard but I need more details on how this replacement thing actually works.

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #258: June 16, 2015, 07:10:18 AM »
Okay I am just gonna give it a shot so you know what I want.

Shop 3 will replace staff and +1 staff from character 13.

Shop 3 will sell

12 to 13 for 444 gold
5 for 13 for 238 gold

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #259: June 16, 2015, 10:05:03 AM »
If it doens't work well you get the idea. I just want to sell those two items for max profit and take all the gold from Northmen.

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #260: June 16, 2015, 10:15:29 AM »
It works like this:

You say "hey, I see you have an axe. Nice, but a little used. Look, I have a wonderful +1 sword. I know usually you'd say you already have a weapon, but look at it as an upgrade. I'll even make it a little cheaper."

You offer an item for sale as normal, except that you also select which item to replace.

They will think about it. They will consider the old item. Someone without weapon will be willing to pay more for the +1 sword than someone who already has one. Basically, he'll be willing to pay for the difference he gets, not the whole thing.

The old item is lost on replacement.

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #261: June 16, 2015, 10:25:00 AM »
I have no way of knowing how much they paid for those items though. Can you calculate that for me? Or are we basing this on the actual item value from the item list?

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #262: June 16, 2015, 10:27:25 AM »
Sold Staff of Fireball to Ortel Brim Turok for 444 gold
Could not sell +2 staff to Ortel Brim Turok. Reason: no_replace


Details on that failed sale, to explain how it works:
Ortel Brim Turok is willing to pay 222 gold for +2 staff
Ortel Brim Turok thinks his/her +1 staff is worth 33 gold.
calculated net value = -49

which means he thinks you are 49 gold too expensive.

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #263: June 16, 2015, 10:28:27 AM »
I have no way of knowing how much they paid for those items though. Can you calculate that for me? Or are we basing this on the actual item value from the item list?

This is based on the item value, not what they paid.

It's not the final word. This system makes it almost impossible to replace high-value items, even with better ones, and still make a profit. I will refine the system more, but for the moment, it suffices.

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #264: June 16, 2015, 10:29:41 AM »
If he thinks his item costs 33 gold, shouldn't I be getting it off of him though? If I bring my price down to 222-33=189?
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 10:50:39 AM by Lapallanch »

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #265: June 16, 2015, 10:37:27 AM »
Also can you put a (number) beside each item they are willing to replace so we know how much we need to pay them to buy it off of them?

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #266: June 16, 2015, 11:35:47 AM »
If he thinks his item costs 33 gold, shouldn't I be getting it off of him though? If I bring my price down to 222-33=189?

No. See somewhere else. We don't do used items.

This is his "mental value". Basically he thinks "yeah, this thing is worth 200 gold. It gives +4. So it's like 50 gold for every +1. But I already have something that gives me +2 so really I only get another +2, so it's like 100 gold for every +1, wow, that's expensive!"

Nobody said they're entirely rational, these heroes. :-)

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #267: June 16, 2015, 11:54:03 AM »
well it seems it is better to wait for these imbeciles to lose their equipment...

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #268: June 16, 2015, 12:28:02 PM »
What mechanics determine the passing and  failing of a quest?

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Re: Heroes of Westhaven
« Reply #269: June 16, 2015, 12:29:36 PM »
well it seems it is better to wait for these imbeciles to lose their equipment...

Yes, there's no sensible business in the way they are choosing to do things. If we were to get the gold for the value they thought their item was worth then it might work, or sell at the price they are prepared to buy our items for and the party gets the gold for what they thought the old should be worth (but not taken from the shops).
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