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Re: SA vs ES
« Topic Start: May 30, 2016, 05:06:57 AM »
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I was wondering if someone could explain to me how on earth SA and ES ended up in such a loving relationship?
It's been off and on, depending upon events. But basically, Turin and Seoras got along enough and Turin founded the Interfaith Council. And SA and ESA are both orthodox, I would say ESA is more orthodox than SA is.

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I mean NW Dwilight is just about as peace-locked and boring as its ever been, I would have thought people would be jumping at the possibility of conflict.

Where's a Kabrinski when you need one...
There was going to be conflict, Kabrinski and all, but the same old SA status-quo, peace-loving political domination happened.

Morek Empire was announced as a dual SA-ESA theocracy. I even consecrated a temple expansion dedicated to their war victory against my own realm (trying to deter the idea of religion as a political allegiance as much as a spiritual culture), half war-memorial. Kabrinski ruling Morek, we were aiming for a nice-even war of our two weak Morek, HD realms against Arnor. There was quiet tension over Freke with Astrum still. Then dustole quit, Katrina became ruler, and wouldn't talk to us (her ally) until after she had traded a bunch of regions with Astrum and Arnor, formed alliances with them, and asked us for our region. When I tried to discuss the matter, I never heard anything back. Oh, and that temple that was dedicated to Morek Empire's war victory in an SA-ESA theocracy? Destroyed by a new lord, not even of SA, pagan, with no real care or enforcement at all by Morek's government. So the same old 'we are SA, we can never fight each other, we love peace, and war is bad unless the continent all wars the same realm' attitude carries on.

Between what I've mentioned here and various other events, I've probably become really burnt out with the whole thing as it seems that no matter how much you try, no one gives a !@#$ and just wants to sit on their titles and play CooperationMaster. So why even try? You can openly share eldership, church direction, and theology with others, but everyone insists on doing their own thing, keeping us all isolated in smaller numbers (isnt that what our realms are for, why should religions be smaller than realms?) boring our time away instead of engaging each other. You try to enforce anything (like protecting your temples) and you're warlike and must be destroyed. You provide the exact reforms others are demanding in another church, but god forbid cooperating with those who already agree with you instead of arguing with those opposed (and if you win your argument, then you just make two churches that are more similar and bland for the continental experience instead of two conflicting churches). It's rather depressing to make the exact same points as others to have them fall on deaf ears.

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Well, I guess I'm just surprised to see to see what was once Morek divided peacefully between realms of the two religions.
It wasn't exactly peaceful, even if it was internal. SA's ruling hierarchy tried to keep it together and it was non-SA Morekian elements that broke it apart. SA wanted to keep Morek's domination of entire duchies without lords and 3 regions for each noble in realm.

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I would have thought Morek and Astrum at least would want to claim Caiyun, or that the two ES realms would want to finally purge the remains of the old theocracies.
Morek is a theocracy of both ESA and SA, or at least claimed to be. Astrum was at war with HD over Caiyun until my character joined HD to provide a priestly rule over Caiyun that had been lost. ESA is more about a community trying to improve the continent's playing atmosphere more than political wars; that said, the peacelock/allianceblock is something we've consistently condemned from SA's theocratic federation/alliances. I just want to stress ESA is more about condemning Things Going Wrong (whether a lord, or a realm, or an idea) than SA, realms, or other political entities.

But like I said above, I am probably burnt out, as it seems too many people wanting to do it their own way (reforming SA, ESA, Darkanism, VE, Storm Maid, etc.). At least Dwilight is doing better than EC's ten tiny religions with most having only a single priest. While I personally might be burnt out from seeming like my efforts are in vain, I do understand there are some eager ESA faithful down in Luria Boreal.