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edgewater1364:
Hey, I wanted to let you (the devs) know that during a battle in Winkamus, Highmarch incorrectly stayed Neutral due to faulty coding.

It's not working as intended, no it isn't, don't tell me it is, because I personally know better. I don't want to go in there and change it myself because I don't have permission, (and would likely just make things worse) but it should be looked at, at least, and honestly, I don't know why we still have issues like this after so many years and years of battles. Literally battles are the premise of the game. How can we trust we will properly enjoy them when the immersion is destroyed again and again by coding issues and other game-related meta accidents? Anyway.

Redhaven is at War with Vix Tiramora, but so is Highmarch. There's no diplomatic reason realms at peace wouldn't join in an attack against a realm that they're both at War with because of a pre-existing alliance. I'm sure the game only checks one relation to be at War and acts accordingly, but in this case, War status should supercede any supposed caution. Again, its two realms in alliance, and one at peace with both of those, but all three are at War with the other, there is no diplomatic reason for one party to not be involved. The whole point of us being there is to actually fight alongside Highmarch. Again, there is literally no reason beyond game code that we are not fighting together.

Is there anything I can do to help this fix along or are we just going to have to go to Alliance status with Highmarch for game reasons and pretend we're still at Peace Diplomatically?

Zakky:
It is working as intended actually. Peace is enforced. If you want to fight, don't be in peace.

Wimpie:

--- Quote from: Zakky on July 09, 2018, 07:07:31 AM ---It is working as intended actually. Peace is enforced. If you want to fight, don't be in peace.

--- End quote ---

^ This has always been the case and has forever not been treated as a bug.

Attano:
The issue is that Highmarch didn’t fight Vix alongside Redhaven.

Vita`:
I've tried several times, but your message is all over the place. I'm trying to look into this, but in the future, it'd be better to clearly state what each realm's diplomatic relations to the other realms are, the battle region (which you did, thanks) and region owner.

Generally, if you want to support someone in a battle, you need to be allied or federated. If you want to war someone, you need to be at war with someone. If Keplerstan is at war with Evilstani and at peace with Goodstani who is also at war with Evilstani, and Evilstani is attacking Goodstani's region, Keplerstan moving into help defend Goodstani's region will not work, as I understand it. You must have an alliance.

Now the confusing sections...


--- Quote ---There's no diplomatic reason realms at peace wouldn't join in an attack against a realm that they're both at War with because of a pre-existing alliance.
--- End quote ---
It seems you are referring to them as both at-peace and allied.


--- Quote ---Again, its two realms in alliance, and one at peace with both of those, but all three are at War with the other
--- End quote ---
This was the most nonsensical. You refer to three realms, Highmarch, Vix Tiramora, Red Haven. You say two are allied, and one is at peace with both of those, but all three are at war? How can they be allied and at peace and at war with each other?


--- Quote ---The whole point of us being there is to actually fight alongside Highmarch.
--- End quote ---
Then you need to be allied with them.


--- Quote ---Is there anything I can do to help this fix along or are we just going to have to go to Alliance status with Highmarch for game reasons and pretend we're still at Peace Diplomatically?
--- End quote ---
There is no pretending. If the game says you are allied, then you are allied, not at peace. If the game says you are at peace, then you are at peace, not allied. No different than the placeholder rule (if you are elected/game says you hold a position, you hold that position, not temporarily holding it for someone else to return). If you were only at peace, not allied, then the only reason you were not fighting together is that you were not allies, which is your diplomacy decisions, not game code. You don't risk life and limb to fight with folks you are merely peaceful with against a mutual enemy, you let them weaken each other first.

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