Asylon Realm Thread

[Igelfeld]

There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma, and religion is playing a part of that as well. Also, the Zuma are so very nice, who would want them to starve?

[Chenier]

There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma, and religion is playing a part of that as well. Also, the Zuma are so very nice, who would want them to starve?

So D'Hara can become the supplier instead, of course! :)

[Adriddae]

There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma, and religion is playing a part of that as well. Also, the Zuma are so very nice, who would want them to starve?

Not to mention to pay well for the food. I hope we can get more gold out of the sales though.

[Nosferatus]

There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma

::)

Funny how Chenier just stopped trading with us...
Now we can send everything!

[Chenier]

::)

Funny how Chenier just stopped trading with us...
Now we can send everything!

Funny how little it would take to have the moot support Aurvandil. They aren't so smug with their food supplies, after all.  ;D

And I didn't stop trading with you. You just arbitrarily decided that a price that was more than enough for everyone else on the continent wasn't good enough for you. And why should I have you bankrupt me if our traders can buy food in your city for cheaper instead?

[Nosferatus]

Funny how little it would take to have the moot support Aurvandil. They aren't so smug with their food supplies, after all.  ;D

Nah i think the moot has more honor than just going to the cheapest exporter, not looking at what they really are.
Like everything except a republic or 'good' and 'just'  in the Moots republican ideology.
The moot is not that cheap as you describe it, your character is just cheap. ;)

And I didn't stop trading with you. You just arbitrarily decided that a price that was more than enough for everyone else on the continent wasn't good enough for you. And why should I have you bankrupt me if our traders can buy food in your city for cheaper instead?

lets keep this discusion IC, its more fun.
I am not going to explain everything OOCly as well, i see no point to that.
Its a typical domination discussion, who is more dominant, can your character alone decide to alter the conditions of stable and friendly business relations or not and what are the consequences.

[Chenier]

Nah i think the moot has more honor than just going to the cheapest exporter, not looking at what they really are.
Like everything except a republic or 'good' and 'just'  in the Moots republican ideology.
The moot is not that cheap as you describe it, your character is just cheap. ;)

Republican, good, just? That's to be a *member* of the 'moot. Not a criteria to be allies. I don't think anyone really cares for the system of governance of outsiders all that much unless to has to do with adhesion to the 'moot.

And I don't think many view Madina as "good" and "just". Greedy, mischievous, and bidding your time to cause us trouble again once Aurvandil is gone is more like it.

[Perth]

And I don't think many view Madina as "good" and "just". Greedy, mischievous, and bidding your time to cause us trouble again once Aurvandil is gone is more like it.

Agreed.

[Nosferatus]

And I don't think many view Madina as "good" and "just". Greedy, mischievous, and bidding your time to cause us trouble again once Aurvandil is gone is more like it.

haha
perhaps Madina and D'haras fued is still rooted deep in distrust of each other.
Don't worry, where not stupid, Paisly is really a hard pressed objective, no one with brains will ever attempt that again.
Or did our armies impress you THAT much from our current civil war?

What i ment was solemnly from your ideological point of view.
Madina and the Moot shares it's republican system and free or near free markets.
While the rebels are following an absolute monarch.

and be fair, when have you ever had some city offer you any amount of food you'd possibly need for a long time deal, that proofed to be stable and consistent in its deliveries?
Its perfect for you to do what you want, to export your food for almost double the price with the zuma, who offer long term buying agreements for extremely high prices.
I don't get it.

[egamma]

haha
perhaps Madina and D'haras fued is still rooted deep in distrust of each other.
Don't worry, where not stupid, Paisly is really a hard pressed objective, no one with brains will ever attempt that again.
Or did our armies impress you THAT much from our current civil war?

What i ment was solemnly from your ideological point of view.
Madina and the Moot shares it's republican system and free or near free markets.
While the rebels are following an absolute monarch.

and be fair, when have you ever had some city offer you any amount of food you'd possibly need for a long time deal, that proofed to be stable and consistent in its deliveries?
Its perfect for you to do what you want, to export your food for almost double the price with the zuma, who offer long term buying agreements for extremely high prices.
I don't get it.

If you saw Paisly's tax income, you'd understand. By sending manual caravans or traders, he can be sure to not bankrupt Paisly again.

Besides, why are you complaining? I just bought 500 bushels off you.

[Chenier]

We import food from every corner of the continent, and on the long term Barca should be able to feed us at a lesser price.

I've run calculations the other day and came to the conclusion that D'Hara will need *massive* investments in terms of warehouses if it is to become a strong trade hub that doesn't need to worry about its own starvation. Trade with the Zuma could allow to finance this in part, but we don't have any traders available off the bat to do this, and re-assigning one would take time. We also don't have any estimates as far as population growth right now, and since the last time we sold them food we had our worst starvation in ages, there's some reluctance to get rid of these stocks.

The prices we were paying for Aurvandil and Madina are considerably greater than what we pay anywhere else, and the massive deficits it causes prevents the accumulation of capital necessary to invest in warehouses. As such, to rely on food imports of that price is simply unsustainable, as demand will only continue to increase. Considering that to get to the Zuma Madinian traders would need to pass by D'Hara, nobody really believes Madina has any other significant trading parters to export all of their goods to, and therefore conclude that they should get the same price everyone else does.

As for relations, it's not so much of a fear of a colonization attempt of Paisly anymore as how hard it is to become friendly with someone who bleeds you dry and talks as if you would be nothing without them.

And indeed, as egamma said, Paisly's finances are pitiful. If I were greedy, I'd ask for my old title as Marquis of Paisland.

[Bedwyr]

Luria can use all of Madina's food production, you know.  Or it can once Giask and all the rest of the cities finish repopulating.

[Telrunya]

So isn't it time you start fighting amongst yourselves again then? ;)

[Chenier]

Luria can use all of Madina's food production, you know.  Or it can once Giask and all the rest of the cities finish repopulating.

Yea, I'm sure Giask will be calling Madina in 10 years or so for that.

Considering the Lurias, they'd be more interested into bullying someone for that food than to buy it at 50 gold per unit.

[JPierreD]

Luria Nova is having rather large surpluses right now.