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PolarRaven

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Re: OOC power-gaming???
« Topic Start: May 11, 2020, 12:50:56 AM »
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First of all, this is in no way constructive. The Devs and Admins have volunteered their time to work on the game.

You're right, that was rude of me to say.  I apologize. 
Though, it is also rude of Devlin to ignore my response (addressed to him specifically) to his inquiries and skip to commenting on the next comment/post.   
I have said this many times in the past, but will say it again,
Thanks to all the Devs and other people that make it possible for us to play this game.
With that said, I understand we get what they are willing to give (have to play the game as they offer it), but I do not have to agree with everything they implement.

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I don't understand why people take this low-road when they don't get the answers they like, but it is incredibly immature and I personally have no problem calling it out as garbage behavior.

It has nothing to do with the answer I received, it was the lack of an answer while he moved on to the next part, skipping over the part that was directed specifically to his earlier mentioned concerns.  Rude will often elicit rude in return. 
Again I apologize, I should have kept it civil even though I felt he was being rude.

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There is always concern for the fun of any player. That is literally what we try to do. Make the game fun and fair. That being said, the Titans and Admins do not actively police the game. It would be impossible. We rely on the community and player reports. So I ask you, was the alliance bloc system in place when this happened? If so, was Thalmarkin outside the bloc? If so, did you submit a Titan report? I can't stress this enough. If something breaks the rules, actively ruins someone's fun in a malicious way, or just seems wrong, then submit a Titan report. Don't just mention things to people. People forget, we are all fallible. Even if you don't know if it is a Titan worthy offense, submit it and let us decide. It does zero harm, but not letting us know can and usually does cause problems.

Yes, the alliance bloc system was in place at the time and no they were not outside the block limit.  Lets talk about the possible flaw in that system.
The system uses REGIONS as the measuring factor of how strong an alliance bloc is.  Regions give you resources, but it is the NOBLE count that wins a war.  At that time Thal was receiving many new players (being directed there from DISCORD as a good realm to start in).  Thal had very few regions at that time (don't recall specifically), and about 40+ nobles.  Thal had great density at that time, so it was considered a good thing and nothing to worry about.  So a Titan report was not "warranted" because no one was really abusing the system, it was the system that was flawed (in MY opinion).  Anyway, the bloc system is what it is and it's obviously here to stay.  In the end it should work for all, but there will likely be "legitimate" ways around it.

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It has already been stated that this concept that was introduced today has been a long time work in progress. The fact that it is coming to fruition now and not during your particular conflict is coincidental.

Purely co-incidental.  OK, I am willing to take your word on that.

BUT, here is how it looked to me before you cleared it up:
A) This ideal is in the works (for years), on the back-burner.
B) Several months ago there was a big upset on the East Island about the ongoing "North vs South" war.
C) This ideal is now pushed to the forefront
D) The members of Thalmarkin (close to 20 on discord and about 30 in realm) complain about being gangbanged (in a war they declared/started) and threaten to quit when their own actions have finally caught up with them
E) Within a few days, the ideal is completed enough to go live.

Hate to loose so many players that are active both on discord and in game.

But since I have your word that the timing was purely co-incidental we can move on from this.

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So? A landslide victory is boring and no fun for anyone involved. Remember that this is a game. Believe it or not, you were not actually a citizen of Caelint who was wronged. Think about the game for a moment instead of personal vendetta.

I can't say, I don't recall ever being part of a landslide victory, though I can assure you it was not much fun on the loosing side.
Now that I think back though, I seem to recall an awful lot of enjoyment being posted in the letters that I seen from the Thal alliance bloc players at the time both IG and on discord.  Your theory about no one enjoying a landslide victory may not be entirely accurate.
I am thinking of the game.  I have not had a noble on BT for quite a while now so I have NO personal stake in this situation.

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You can easily stack the deck in a war like that to have an 80% chance of victory, where the other side at least has a chance to struggle and things are still up for grabs. But outnumbering your opponent 4 nobles to 1 obliterates any chance those players have to have fun, and quite honestly is no fun for your own players.

So why do it? Because it happened to you? Grow up.

But, the alliance bloc does not take this into account.  It is measured by REGIONS held, not nobles.
When I was in Caelint, I believe we actually were facing close to 4 to 1 (nobles) odds.  And you are right, it was not so much fun.  But as I said above, the other side seemed to be enjoying themselves.
Your statement seems to imply that this particular situation (Thal being on "the other side" of a lopsided conflict) was orchestrated by players from various other realms.  I could be wrong, but I really doubt that the rest of the continent got together and said "Hey, lets gang up on Thalmarkin and destroy that realm".
If I understand correctly, it was Thalmarkin who declared War on Caelint once again this time round.  So, really, how can this even be considered OOC powergaming as the former, missing ruler of Thalmarkin complained before he rage quit?  I can not speak for others as to why they decided to join in on the war, but as I have said previously, Thalmarkin has meddled in just about every other realms' affairs at one point or another in recent history.  Some may have questionable reasons, but some seem to have very valid reasons for wanting in on the war.
Why do it?  There are many VALID IG reasons for certain realms/nobles on BT to want a piece of Thalmarkin.  If you need specific reasons, you will need to ask them as I have not had a noble on BT for quite a while now and my current information comes from other sources (discord, forums, OOC ruler channel...)

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Don't be sarcastic. You are typing to an audience from many countries and cultures. If you try to convey a point in this environment using sarcasm, it is your fault for any miscommunication. Completely ridiculous and inappropriate. Be clear and concise if you want to be taken seriously. When I read your first post, I had zero doubt that you were defending Thalmarkin. Once you explained it, I could kind of see the sarcasm upon re-reading, but the cost is you having to explain it and we have all wasted time.

Got it.  Which should be fairly obvious though since the part of my message that you have quoted also includes my apology for doing so.
"Completely ridiculous and inappropriate" ?  Well, where I come from, telling one to "Grow up" is seen in quite the same light as sarcasm.  Please keep this in mind for your future writings to this multi-cultural forum.

I am sorry that I am not perfect at conveying my point at all times on all things. 
We do the best we can when sharing ideals and sometimes things need further explanation to get a point across.
I am also sorry for wasting both your time and Devlins while trying to share my thoughts and opinions on this matter.

The funny part here, is that it seems like you are more interested in HOW the opinion is presented rather than what the actual opinion is trying to convey.