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Constantine

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More options for Stewards
« Topic Start: October 05, 2020, 03:31:08 PM »
Allow region lords to toggle specific permissions for their stewards to
- hold courts
- recruit militia
- disband militia
- manage estates
- build infrastructure
- set taxes
- control food distribution
etc.

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Re: More options for Stewards
« Reply #1: October 05, 2020, 04:00:19 PM »
At what point do you stop being the Lord in anything but name...?
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Re: More options for Stewards
« Reply #2: October 05, 2020, 05:13:30 PM »
That's a strange take. I don't think that administrative chores were ever the main attraction of being a landed noble.
I mean, wasn't actual medieval steward's job literally what I desribed?

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« Reply #3: October 05, 2020, 05:24:09 PM »
That's a strange take. I don't think that administrative chores were ever the main attraction of being a landed noble.
I mean, wasn't actual medieval steward's job literally what I desribed?

While I am sure there were, in fact, plenty of medieval Lords who delegated every last one of their responsibilities to stewards, heirs, or whoever they found who would take them on, and spent all day hunting and drinking, there are a number of good reasons that I don't feel it best fits BattleMaster's needs to emulate that model.

One of the foremost of these is that it is intentional in BattleMaster for positions of power to come with increased levels of responsibility. If you are not interested in performing any of the responsibilities of a region Lord, you should not accept the position—and this goes for every level of the hierarchy.

I think it might make sense to expand the abilities of stewards somewhat, but there is definitely a line to be drawn, and that line is well before "every button a Lord can push".
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Re: More options for Stewards
« Reply #4: October 05, 2020, 06:35:47 PM »
I find it disheartening how you choose to interpret this suggestion as "a feature to allow lords do nothing". Lazy lords are already lazy today and you can't even depose them. Also no one can force a steward to do all the work. It's just something to do for people who want to have an extra option to do something.
The idea behind was to give more people more stuff to do. With the recent changes landed titles are becoming very scarce and young knights in peace times don't have much going for them. On the contrary, this feature would allow for some sort of IG mentorship, where a lord can teach his steward how to run a region.
Why is delegating bad? It's great. It's engaging, it's inclusive.

I'm really looking for ways to make the game more engaging for newer players and so far stewardship is one mechanic that has a lot of potential in that regard.

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Re: More options for Stewards
« Reply #5: October 05, 2020, 11:02:18 PM »
I don't understand why Anaris views this as a negative feature.

The lord can fire his steward anytime. I can probably leave things like holding courts/estate control to the lord while allowing the steward to build and upgrade. So the lord focuses on the ruling aspect rather than doing more chores or rolling RNG.

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« Reply #6: October 05, 2020, 11:08:08 PM »
I think there's a line to be drawn between buttons the Lord can press that require authority and those that merely maintain the administration.

Managing estates is not something that can be delegated. Period. That is part of the Lord's feudal duty to and authority over his vassal knights, and needs to remain something that only the Lord can do.

Controlling food distribution is merely a part of how the region is managed. It clearly falls into the same category as existing tasks the Steward can perform, and should be opened up to Stewards.

Others of these fall in the middle between these two; personally, off the top of my head, I would say that building infrastructure and holding courts both require the Lord's authority, while setting taxes probably falls just this side of the "administration" line.

I'm ambivalent about the militia ones.
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Re: More options for Stewards
« Reply #7: October 06, 2020, 06:21:22 AM »
I think there's a line to be drawn between buttons the Lord can press that require authority and those that merely maintain the administration.

Managing estates is not something that can be delegated. Period. That is part of the Lord's feudal duty to and authority over his vassal knights, and needs to remain something that only the Lord can do.

Controlling food distribution is merely a part of how the region is managed. It clearly falls into the same category as existing tasks the Steward can perform, and should be opened up to Stewards.

Others of these fall in the middle between these two; personally, off the top of my head, I would say that building infrastructure and holding courts both require the Lord's authority, while setting taxes probably falls just this side of the "administration" line.

I'm ambivalent about the militia ones.

Maybe we should add more roles so Stewards just don't become the next 2nd lord in charge. That way, maybe people will be inclined to get more knights to do less tedious work. Maybe you can have a knight commander who will be a minor version of general that is in charge of building infrastructures/militias.

Building infrastructures should be done on estate levels. That would give knights another thing to spend their gold on and maybe they won't leave their estates as easily. Give them that feeling of attachment that the game lacks.

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Re: More options for Stewards
« Reply #8: October 07, 2020, 11:27:58 AM »
Maybe the Steward could get extra gold (directly from the Lords share) for each thing that the Lord enables him to do.
eg.  3% per tax for holding courts (if toggled on)
eg.  2.5% per tax for keeping the food stores in order (if toggled on)
etc.


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Re: More options for Stewards
« Reply #9: October 15, 2020, 02:28:08 AM »
Allow stewards to embezzle from their regions like a banker can.
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