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Matthew Gagnon

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Priest game
« Topic Start: November 15, 2020, 03:24:50 PM »
A thought I have had, and forgive me if anyone else has ever suggested it.

Religion in BM is excruciating, and I think that one of the main reasons is that to play a priest, you essentially have to sacrifice one of your nobles, and their military capabilities and the like, and turn him into "an adventurer for religion."

While some people like that, most don't I think. While recruiting for a religion I created, that has been some of the most oft repeated reasons why people dont want to become priests: they just don't want to lose their warrior.

So here was my thought: what if priests became bonus characters, like adventureres?

In other words, you had your same number of nobles allowed as you always did, but the adventurers you are allowed to have are actually adventurers OR priests.

I have three adventurers now, and given that option I would probably maintain two priests and one adventurer if given the chance... maybe even three priests.

Ultimately it is a lack of clergy spreading the word that holds things back, and I think categorizing priests how we do now not only cannibalizes warmaking units for the priest game, it also just makes religion in general a much smaller part of a Medieval-ish life than it should be.

I think it would be an easy and productive change.

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Re: Priest game
« Reply #1: November 16, 2020, 03:39:27 PM »
The trouble is, it's not an easy change, because the character limits are quite complex, and priests are full nobles, with all the rights and privileges they enjoy—including the ability to change class.

I'm not fundamentally against the idea—the nobility sending second sons into the priesthood was definitely A Thing, and having priests be not "normal nobles" makes some sense—but "easy", it's not, I'm afraid.
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Re: Priest game
« Reply #2: November 16, 2020, 11:30:48 PM »
Forgive my poor choice of words, Tim. I didn't mean to imply the programming change was easy. I more meant that it was "easy" in terms of not needing a fundamental reinvention of the wheel, and that it was mostly a reclassification of sorts. I understand it would probably be a pain in the ass to make happen.

Ultimately, though, I just think it would allow the religion aspect to more easily flourish. Thanks for considering it.

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Re: Priest game
« Reply #3: November 18, 2020, 02:40:29 AM »
The other thing I've often wondered about this is whether nobles being priests actually makes sense...Or rather nobles being something like Bishops and such would make more sense, having charge over NPC priests.  Bishops and such often did fight and all...

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« Reply #4: November 18, 2020, 02:56:52 AM »
The other thing I've often wondered about this is whether nobles being priests actually makes sense...Or rather nobles being something like Bishops and such would make more sense, having charge over NPC priests.  Bishops and such often did fight and all...

I mean, "priest" is the general term. "Bishop" is specific to Christianity, so we're not going to use that.

There very much are NPC priests of every religion—they're the ones running the temples, etc. PC priests are just much more effective, because when you've got a noble of the highest order preaching, it carries more weight than just any other random commoner.
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Re: Priest game
« Reply #5: November 29, 2020, 01:21:36 PM »
I don't think there is much difference between priest and bishop in that regard. They're both indigenuous to western christianity. Only that we're used to calling officials of other religions "priests" but that's obviously as questionable as calling them bishops.

I don't want to see people titled as Priest of X in game anyway. Why not use the titles created by every religion itself? I'd rather prefer to see Archdruids, Augurs, Luminaries and Tidespeakers instead.