horses?

[Gustav Kuriga]

In my mind, you hire the oxen as part of the carts, therefore you are hiring the oxen. No, not individually, but where did I state "I only hire one oxen, and nothing else with it"?

By the way, I agree that horses should not be paraphernalia, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate to make sure you guys use actual arguments that are based on logic, not just "It'll make the game more girly".

[Anaris]

By the way, I agree that horses should not be paraphernalia, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate to make sure you guys use actual arguments that are based on logic, not just "It'll make the game more girly".

Apparently, I need to use more sarcasm markers.

[Indirik]

In my mind, you hire the oxen as part of the carts, therefore you are hiring the oxen. No, not individually, but where did I state "I only hire one oxen, and nothing else with it"?

Your argument had no more validity than trying to claim that the game should let you buy and track individual pieces of armor because "Hey, I can hire infantry, and infantry wear armor and carry, so I'm really already buying armor and weapons, so therefore I should be able to got to a weaponsmith and commission him to  make me a katana and wakizashi to go along with the dual-wield skill that we therefore must add to the game!"

[Gustav Kuriga]

What do ox carts have to do with equipment, mind you? Also, note my comment about not arguing for it to be paraphernalia.

[Indirik]

Because the fact that the carts you hire to carry food include a pair of oxen is as relevant as the fact that the soldiers that you hire are wearing breastplates. Thus, saying that you "hire oxen" when you ship food is equivalent to saying that you "buy breastplates" when you recruit soldiers.

And yes, I know that you're playing devil's advocate. That's fine. But the logic you are using to state your argument could be easily extended to argue that we need to model the purchase and details of everything from the type of stone we use to build fortifications all the way down to the style and decoration of the salt cellars on our banquet tables.

[vonGenf]

To be fair, adding named horses as Unique Items seems reasonable and interesting. Only the naming scheme would need to be changed; the requirement for repairs can be seen as requirement for the unique saddle.

[Gustav Kuriga]

Because the fact that the carts you hire to carry food include a pair of oxen is as relevant as the fact that the soldiers that you hire are wearing breastplates. Thus, saying that you "hire oxen" when you ship food is equivalent to saying that you "buy breastplates" when you recruit soldiers.

And yes, I know that you're playing devil's advocate. That's fine. But the logic you are using to state your argument could be easily extended to argue that we need to model the purchase and details of everything from the type of stone we use to build fortifications all the way down to the style and decoration of the salt cellars on our banquet tables.

There, see! That's how you deconstruct an argument.

[Perth]

But we're not adding horses as a separate paraphernalia object.  There's not enough benefit to be gained from it to justify the work involved.

Sooo.... there's still hope for dragons?

[JPierreD]

Only as long as they are not Pink or other girly colors.

[Gustav Kuriga]

Because we want more players, but girls aren't allowed!

[Bael]

Because we want more players, but girls aren't allowed!

Yes...no girls in this clubhouse!

[Fleugs]

Yes...no girls in this clubhouse!

I distance myself from these dangerous ideas. I welcome women into our most wonderful gaming society. Oh btw, Vellos' link to that stat-site showed that most people logging in to BM were... women. Yeah, I think the stats are wrong, honestly.  :)

[Indirik]

Well, tbh, we've warned them all to stay away from you.

[Tom]

Closing this thread.

a) it has ventured off-topic
b) your character is already assumed to ride a horse, the first few comments were right on target.