So if I made up a wiki page and wrote a completely fictional myth about a person named, say, Thomas Malthus Solari who had a paranoia about population growth, then founded a realm called Solaria in honor of that clear reference to other fantasy worlds (similar to D'Hara), that would be better RP and more SMA than a hubristic noble naming a realm after his family?
That's preposterous.
The other fantasy world is alien to the BM world. No BM character knows anything about other fantasy worlds, unless you want to RP it as a myth or something. So yes, it would be more SMA to name the name Tatooine than to name it Solario. Is Tatooine a good name? No. But it's more SMA, because at least you can make up a reason for it that satisfies SMA criteria. Solaria is an explicit reference to the name of the ruler. Something that just wasn't done in the reference culture.
If you want, though, we may as well just go delete all of the various lore people wrote on Dwilight's pre-colonization history. After all, it's all just people spewing !@#$ out of their ass, right?
Look up the word "Dynasty." Bam. There you have it. That's what Solaria is: the Solari Dynasty. Will it always be a Solari ruling it? Maybe not. Many historical dynasties got co-opted by other groups, one way and another.
I really have no idea what your poo-pooing is based on.
I very well know what a dynasty is. And BM realms are NOT dynasties. A dynasty is a lineage of rulers. Change the lineage? Change the dynasty. BM realms can't change names upon a ruler change, however.
Up until the 17th or 18th century "France" didn't mean France; it meant the province of Île-de-France. So what was the French King called?
Let's look at Charlemagne:
"Charles, most serene Augustus crowned by God, the great, peaceful emperor ruling the Roman empire"
"King of the Franks"
What is Arthur?
King of the Britons
What was the Byzantine Emperor?
"Basil, in Christ, Emperor and Autocrat of the Romans"
Or, according to Westerners,
"Emperor of the Greeks"
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Let's be clear.
Realms aren't SMA by your standards. Realms as a unity, clearly definable, stable state were the exception in the Middle Ages, a subject of constant contest.
Titles referred to people groups. There was no "King of France;" there was a "King of the Franks."
So arguing about the names of realms is foolish: most "realms" had no names. Even "realms" with clear names (like the Holy Roman Empire) still were not so clear in their titles.
The slippery slopes arguments are really getting overused. Who lives in France? The Franks. Where do the britons live? In Britain. People are named after the land they live off, and lands are named after the people who live off of them. Formal titles may differ. The key difference, though, is that SMA works within the parameters of the game. You cannot RP against game mechanics, that is not what SMA is about. Therefore, when considering what complies to SMA or not, you must consider what the game allows to be conform to what would exist in the reference period. There's no point in debating about titles being off the land instead of the people because the game allows for nothing else.
So leave off the guy about a name that actually relates to endogenous BM culture. It's better than your importing some kind of annoyingly obscure cossack title that nobody can write or pronounce; his actually stems from IG RP rather than being a projection on it.
Forgive my sass, but this argument is total nonsense. We're arguing about a concept that didn't exist for Medieval peoples or nobles.
Good grief, dude. BT isn't SMA, I don't *have* to justify anything about my RP there. You don't like Fheuv'n? See if I care. Your diatribe against it is of no relevance to this discussion.
It isn't my logic, it's yours. You're the one who said they have to be named after something that realms were actually named after in the medieval period. Now you're applying it to religions to. It's your logic.
No, it's yours. I never suggested that lack of something being defined was anti-SMA, you did. I said realms should be named off things they could be named of. I did not say that this reason needed to be defined through RP by anyone at any time. Why? Because this is a lightweight game.
You're disappointed to learn it wasn't named after ravens? So your more comfortable, SMA-wise, with someone naming their realm after an animal than themselves? What cases in Medieval Europe are there of kingdoms/nations named after animals? You would be cool, in an SMA sense, with my new realm called The Holy Humming-Birdian Empire?
Yea, because there's a ton of different ways you could justify that. Some nations in the reference time (though maybe not area) were named after, for example, deities. European paganism, as far as I know, gave enough importance to animals. I could totally see some mythical reason being made up to justify such a thing.
And again, there's a difference between a good name and a SMA name. Want the Holy Humming-Birdian Empire? RP it correctly and it'll satisfy SMA criterias as I see them. I'll still think, as a player, that it sucks however.
