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Started by Charles, August 21, 2011, 02:25:10 AM

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Charles

I have on a number of occasions had issues attempting to remember what a person's reply is when they send me a reply that only make sense if you know the previous message. 
Could we add a "view original message" to messages which are replies?  Much like in emails.  It would make things much easier to understand. 

JPierreD

The organization of messages could use some other improvements as well.

For example, seeing all the messages in and out between a certain character, a certain function (King, General, et.) and a message group.
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Kain

I would like to see a "reply all" function but I have a feeling there is a good reason as to why we don't already have one.
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Shizzle

Quote from: Kain on August 21, 2011, 03:29:44 AM
I would like to see a "reply all" function but I have a feeling there is a good reason as to why we don't already have one.

I think that's under 'Frequently Rejected' :) they want to avoid realm-wide spam
Though it would be useful for 'custom msg groups' (like when the sender chose 'send to some')

Chenier

Quote from: Shizzle on August 21, 2011, 09:53:32 AM
I think that's under 'Frequently Rejected' :) they want to avoid realm-wide spam
Though it would be useful for 'custom msg groups' (like when the sender chose 'send to some')

Avoid realm-wide spam? I don't see how it has anything to do with spam. It would make sharing and commenting information on a realm-wide level much less of a hassle, though.
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Indirik

Realm-wide spam is a bit of a different situation than it was 4 years ago. Like I always say, you can't comprehend the message traffic that 150 active people can generate unless you've been there. Now, with realms being so much smaller, I think most of us would welcome more realm-wide message traffic.
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Jens Namtrah

Quote from: Shizzle on August 21, 2011, 09:53:32 AM
I think that's under 'Frequently Rejected' :) they want to avoid realm-wide spam
Though it would be useful for 'custom msg groups' (like when the sender chose 'send to some')

"Reply all" assumes that it is a sub-group of the realm, don't you think? Would hardly be causing realm-wide spam.

If anything, NOT having it causes realm-wide messages, since if there are too many people I just send to realm - clicking all those check boxes makes me twitchy  :o

Quote from: Indirik on August 22, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
Realm-wide spam is a bit of a different situation than it was 4 years ago. Like I always say, you can't comprehend the message traffic that 150 active people can generate unless you've been there. Now, with realms being so much smaller, I think most of us would welcome more realm-wide message traffic.

Had that same thought the other day.

Nosferatus

i do really see benefit in an options that marks messages as replied, makes your work as an active character much easier.
How many times do active characters forget to respond or sometimes even respond double.
I'd personally really like such option.
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Jens Namtrah

Quote from: Nosferatus on August 23, 2011, 10:56:18 AM
i do really see benefit in an options that marks messages as replied, makes your work as an active character much easier.
How many times do active characters forget to respond or sometimes even respond double.
I'd personally really like such option.

That's what the new "mark" messages is for. Mark what you need to reply to; unmark when you actually do.

Chenier

Quote from: Indirik on August 22, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
Realm-wide spam is a bit of a different situation than it was 4 years ago. Like I always say, you can't comprehend the message traffic that 150 active people can generate unless you've been there. Now, with realms being so much smaller, I think most of us would welcome more realm-wide message traffic.

I rather dislike that the approach taken was to make the process more tedious for the player to send a normal message, in order to curb the number of messages sent.

I guess we got what was wanted? The message flow in many realms was killed.
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Jens Namtrah

Quote from: Chénier on August 23, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
I rather dislike that the approach taken was to make the process more tedious for the player to send a normal message, in order to curb the number of messages sent.

I guess we got what was wanted? The message flow in many realms was killed.

Wrong.

there was NEVER a reply all button.

the only thing that was added was that gold-colored message saying, "Are you sure you want to send this to the whole realm"

a reply all button would have LESSENED realm-wide messaging, and so would have been a good thing.  ( the way the code is written for messaging, I think it is a little arduous to try to change, and so was never added.)

but then again, if you'd ever take a moment to read things carefully instead of just constantly bitching about everything you can think of, you'd already understand that.

Chenier

Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
Wrong.

there was NEVER a reply all button.

Choosing not to implement such a mundane feature after all this time has the same effect as choosing to remove it.

Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
the only thing that was added was that gold-colored message saying, "Are you sure you want to send this to the whole realm"

That's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
a reply all button would have LESSENED realm-wide messaging, and so would have been a good thing.

Care explaining how the hell you figure that?

Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
( the way the code is written for messaging, I think it is a little arduous to try to change, and so was never added.)

Considering that "reply to all" is available elsewhere, and the time for which the game has been running, I don't consider this argument to be valid.

Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
but then again, if you'd ever take a moment to read things carefully instead of just constantly bitching about everything you can think of, you'd already understand that.

A "reply to all" option was never made available because of a fear it would create realm-wide spam, therefore forcing the players to continue using the old method of going back to the message page between each message and selecting "to all realm mates", therefore keeping a method that forces multiple clicks and that breaks a flow that could be quite smooth instead of upgrading to a more user-friendly and faster method that they have adopted for other message groups.

Now, which part did I misunderstand?
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Anaris

Quote from: Chénier on August 23, 2011, 04:03:36 PM
Choosing not to implement such a mundane feature after all this time has the same effect as choosing to remove it.

I'm sorry; in the context, that makes no sense.

You said that you had noticed a distinct dropoff in message flow after reply all was removed.
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Shenron

Is it really that hard to respond to all the good old fashion way? I haven't even noticed it for years, it just the way you do it.

Put it this way. Has there ever been a time that you would have send a message but then thought not to because there was no "reply all" button?
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Indirik

Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on August 24, 2011, 02:21:02 AMHas there ever been a time that you would have send a message but then thought not to because there was no "reply all" button?
No.

So therefore not having it does not cut down on message traffic. So, why not have it, since not having having it not only doesn't work, it actually adds frustration?
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