New Estate System

[fodder]

I'm not sure if you can create a new Duchy out of a Duchy with only one Townsland/City/Stronghold. However if for example such a region is taken by a TO or switches allegiances, the Duchy would just exist with one rural region or no regions at all (He cannot secede now). If the Duchy has no regions, the Ruler can dissolve it, but it doesn't dissolve automatically. If you want to keep a landless Duke around as a Court Pet (I believe that's how Tom called it ), you are free to do so.

so what's the criteria for seceding? duchy that include a (or more) city only?

[Indirik]

So... what are rulers making into duchies/dukes? If dukes don't need to be lords, and there are no duchy centre, doesn't that allow for infinite duchies?

I answered that in the post immediately before yours.

The ruler picks a city/stronghold/townsland who's lord is not already a duke and promotes them to duke. That region is removed from its prior duchy and becomes a new one-region duchy.

Edit: not infinite duchies, but still more duchies then there are cities+strongholds+townslands.

Given enough time, and the creation of enough duchies, you could have everyone in the realm as a duke.

[Indirik]

I dont think so :S A Duchy just needs to contain one of those? Or is that only for succession?

The duchy is created from a city/stronghold/townsland. (I'm going to start abbreviating that as C/S/T.... ) Once the duchy is formed any region can leave it, and it has no effect on the duchy, other than it has less regions. Possibly even ending as a duchy with no regions at all.

[Indirik]

Duchies can only be created from cities, strongholds, and towns.  The duke can be any lord from a region in the duchy,

Initially, the Duke will be the lord of the C/S/T. The duke can then step down as lord of that region, and then take any region within his duchy, if he wants.

[Indirik]

what happens if a duchy does not have a city/town any more?

Nothing.

[Indirik]

If Rulers can create Duchies, it would (hopefully) follow that they can dissolve them as well.

Duchies with no regions can be dissolved by the ruler.

[Indirik]

but if the ruler doesn't dissolve them? do they dissolve themselves when it's just a rural region?

No. Duchies never dissolve on their own. Even if they have no regions.

if not what's to stop every single region becoming a 1 region duchy (after a lot of tinkering)?

Nothing.

duchies can have multiple cities?

Yes. Cities no longer occupy any special place in the realm hierarchy. They are just a region with a few more features.

[Indirik]

Which doesn't actually answer the question.  You're implying the ruler would *want* to remove the title from the (theoretically) loyal Duke in that circumstance.  What if the ruler doesn't want to?

Then he doesn't.

Would the ruler be able to make another Duke through that townsland/city/stronghold?

The ruler can make a duchy out of *any* C/S/T who's lord is not already a duke. That region's lord becomes the new duke.

If the duchy dissolves because the townsland/city/stronghold leaves it...

It does not. Duchies do not automatically disappear, ever.

[Indirik]

Is there still an overall production stat to region?

Yes. The way gold is produced by the region does not change. Your estate size is the percentage of the region's gold production that you get.

[Indirik]

Are you certain about this?

From what I could understand from Wiki, taxation applies to all incomes of lords/dukes, not only from their share, which makes much sense, otherwise all would be easily obstructed in the way you describe (the way it is currently on).

The region tax is split among all the knights of the region. The lord sets a Lord's Share that comes out of each knight's income.

The Duke sets a Duke's Share that comes out of each lord's total income. (This comes off the *total* of what a lord gets, which includes the lord's income from his own estate, if he has it.)

The realm sets a Realm Share that comes out of each Duke's income, which includes any income he gets from his estate (if he has one), his Lord's Share (if he is a lord) and from the Duke's Share taken from each of his lords.

If the duke has no estate, is not a lord, and sets the Duke's Share to 0, then there is nothing for the realm to take as a Realm Share. Of course the duke won't get any income.

[Indirik]

I'm not sure if you can create a new Duchy out of a Duchy with only one Townsland/City/Stronghold.

You do not create a "duchy out of a duchy". The ruler promotes a non-duke lord of a C/S/T to the rank of Duke. His region becomes a new one-region duchy.

If a duchy consists of a single city, and the duke is not the lord, then the ruler can create a new duchy by promoting the lord of that city to be a duke. The old duke now commands a regionless duchy, which the ruler can then disband.

[fodder]

Yes. Cities no longer occupy any special place in the realm hierarchy. They are just a region with a few more features.

no such thing as realm capital? where to recruit?

[Indirik]

so what's the criteria for seceding? duchy that include a (or more) city only?

That is not yet determined, but that is the most likely criteria. I *think* Tom said he was considering letting townslands secede, which would make the townsland the capital.

[Solari]

That is not yet determined, but that is the most likely criteria. I *think* Tom said he was considering letting townslands secede, which would make the townsland the capital.

That will be awesome for the lulz it shall provide.  You uppity townsfolk, thinking you can govern yourselves!

[Kain]

That will be awesome for the lulz it shall provide.  You uppity townsfolk, thinking you can govern yourselves!

And the townsfolk of a wealthy townsland will laugh right back and point to the city that is left behind which happens to be even poorer than the seceeding townland :p

I.e Bescanon on EC is wealthier than Slimbar city and almost as wealthy as Krimml city. Not to mention that it produces a lot more food, so they can be more than self-sufficient.

Do not underestimate townslands