New Estate System

[Bedwyr]

Are vacant estates supposed to have flat 50% efficiency, or do they just have a 50% modifier for being vacant on top of their size?  I'm seeing some vacant estates that appear to have 31-32% efficiency.

[Chenier]

the rich city lord is not being mr. generous. he gets to act as mr. generous because he doesn't pay his bills and other idiots, the exact same ones who complain about lack of gold, back him up with "for the good of the realm" stuff.

on the other hand, it's no longer a duke thing and when things have settled down. i would imagine dukes on dwi would eventually be mostly ruling townslands.

Well, with the new system, you'll see even more "mr. generous" types, because the game is forcing us to tax our vassals. We can compensate by giving ourselves smaller estates as lords, and dukes can compensate by giving more for food, but those low-food badlands and mountains are going to be giving a greater chunk of their income to the duke and getting very little of it back.

[Indirik]

the rich city lord is not being mr. generous. he gets to act as mr. generous because he doesn't pay his bills and other idiots, the exact same ones who complain about lack of gold, back him up with "for the good of the realm" stuff.

And you know how he is going to pay his bills? By taxing the lord. And then maybe he should start handing out invoices for protecting your region from monsters. And refuse to hand out gold when your unit gets wiped out while you try to protect it yourself. (Isn't that why you get paid for your food? So you can handle all your expenses yourself?) And when you don't sell him your food at whatever rate he wants, he'll just raise your taxes so he can buy it from elsewhere.

on the other hand, it's no longer a duke thing and when things have settled down. i would imagine dukes on dwi would eventually be mostly ruling townslands.

I can't imagine why you would think that would be the case.

[Zakilevo]

Hm.. The new system is great I didn't lose much gold. Well to be fair I had nothing to lose to begin with .

But from reading the new report, knights seem to receive a lot of gold. Lords can adjust that in time I am sure.

[fodder]

reason? food. towns mostly don't need to buy food. cities do. a city duke can tax a lot, but he won't get food. whereas a townsland duke won't have to think about food. and he get to tax city lords for extras.

a duke sets same tax rate for all his regions. if he's not paying for food and then attempts to up the rate, how many lords will stay?

[De-Legro]

reason? food. towns mostly don't need to buy food. cities do. a city duke can tax a lot, but he won't get food. whereas a townsland duke won't have to think about food. and he get to tax city lords for extras.

a duke sets same tax rate for all his regions. if he's not paying for food and then attempts to up the rate, how many lords will stay?

Probably all of them. Lets face it if Lords don't kick up a stink about things like being expected to provide free food, they are unlikely to do much about taxes either.

[Tom]

Hm.. The new system is great I didn't lose much gold. Well to be fair I had nothing to lose to begin with .

But from reading the new report, knights seem to receive a lot of gold. Lords can adjust that in time I am sure.

It's a bottom-up system now. If you want to receive gold further up the chain, you'll have to tax downwards. And if those below you don't tax their subjects much, you must raise their tax rates until they wise up.

[Shenron]

Probably all of them. Lets face it if Lords don't kick up a stink about things like being expected to provide free food, they are unlikely to do much about taxes either.

Hmmm... I think we shouldn't underestimate the capacity for lords to get pissed off about their gold. From my experience, lords feel a lot different about gold than they do about food.

[Ramiel]

Hmmm... I think we shouldn't underestimate the capacity for lords to get pissed off about their gold. From my experience, lords feel a lot different about gold than they do about food.

Agreed. Food is food. But Gold can buy food if you are desperate or in a non-self-food-producing situation like D'hara.

Gold makes the world go around...and kept fed!

[Shenron]

Question: How will the new estate system change the way that election of rulers that are currently Dukes work in Republics for instance?

ie. Right now if you are a Duke and you are elected as ruler in a republic, you automatically abdicate your lordship position of the city and become Ruler. Will this change under the new system, or would you still lose your position as Duke and lord?

I'd like this answered too. How does the new estate system effect the rulers ability to appoint himself duke as well?

[Tom]

I'd like this answered too. How does the new estate system effect the rulers ability to appoint himself duke as well?

the system does not yet make a difference between government systems.

[Indirik]

reason? food. towns mostly don't need to buy food. cities do. a city duke can tax a lot, but he won't get food. whereas a townsland duke won't have to think about food. and he get to tax city lords for extras.

That's an interesting idea. We'll have to see how it plays out. I personally don't see it happening, but you never know.

a duke sets same tax rate for all his regions. if he's not paying for food and then attempts to up the rate, how many lords will stay?

That depends. I think very few lords care about the food their regions grow. Most would rather not have to be bothered with it at all.

[Phellan]

Another weird thing here. . . I thought we got rid of Imperial regions?

Imperial Regions
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We TO'd it a day or so ago - it appears to be an imperial region under the "Realm Regions" section, but does not appear in the Realm Hierarchy.

I do not know if Nosferatus (Abbot) can appoint to it though - I can't.   I'll check with our other Duke.

This may have happened because it's physically closer to Tower Fatmilak Duchy, but the region adjacent to it is from Madina Duchy.

[JPierreD]

Newly conquered regions are still Imperial Regions for now. This will change in the future. In the meantime I think that both the ruler and the future lord need to be in the region for the appointment to happen.

[Tom]

Another weird thing here. . . I thought we got rid of Imperial regions?

There's still a problem with some regions in TO.