Religious takeovers

[Velax]

Kindara in the FEI are attempting to take C'thonia's capital. It's been very annoyingly difficult, but I think we're getting there.

The issue is the duke (former duke if we take it) is a priest of a religion with some 89% following in the region. If we take the city, is he going to be able to do an RTO immediately to take it back? Or will the troops we have there stop it?

What happens if the region is driven rogue rather than converting to us? Will our troops still stop an RTO or will they stand aside because the region will be rogue rather than belonging to us?

[De-Legro]

RTO's can be prevented by troops, in that it affects the chance of the RTO succeeding. Not that it would help you at this early stage, but well maintained regions also can't be RTO'd. Not sure about Rogue, I seem to recall an Arcaean priest being arrested when trying to RTO Unotosa when it was rogue.

[Bedwyr]

All troops try to stop RTO's (even if it's a priest of your own realm).  If you've got Kindara's full army there, I really really doubt an RTO will succeed.  Now, as soon as your army leaves then you'll have a problem unless you drop a bunch of militia (or appoint an Order of the Elders lord).

[De-Legro]

All troops try to stop RTO's (even if it's a priest of your own realm).  If you've got Kindara's full army there, I really really doubt an RTO will succeed.  Now, as soon as your army leaves then you'll have a problem unless you drop a bunch of militia (or appoint an Order of the Elders lord).

You can't RTO core regions either, or is it loyalty based not control based, I forget.

[Velax]

All troops try to stop RTO's (even if it's a priest of your own realm).  If you've got Kindara's full army there, I really really doubt an RTO will succeed.  Now, as soon as your army leaves then you'll have a problem unless you drop a bunch of militia (or appoint an Order of the Elders lord).

So even if a priest of your own realm attempts to RTO a rogue region, your own troops will stop it? Is that intended behaviour?

And RTOs won't work if the lord of the region is of the same religion as the priest trying to RTO? Makes sense.

[De-Legro]

Wouldn't you want your armed forces to stop a priest from ousting the rightful Lord of a region, even if the priest was of your own realm. Remember RTO's are an uprising of the peasantry and lower nobility, they can be looked upon as a perversion of the hierarchy really.

[Velax]

Does the region have a rightful lord if it's rogue?

What about auto de fe? How do they work, and is it a possibility in this situation?

[De-Legro]

Does the region have a rightful lord if it's rogue?

What about auto de fe? How do they work, and is it a possibility in this situation?

Well someone may claim the region if it is rogue and be recognised by his/her peers as the rightful, yet displaced Lord. The fact remains that the RTO is a movement of the peasant filth, so even the absence of a Lord shouldn't be a reason to allow them to elevate some firebrand priest to the office. Appointments come from the top down, not the bottom up after all :)

I've not got any real experience with auto de fe.

[Chenier]

And by troops, people mean *mobile* troops.

What about auto de fe? How do they work, and is it a possibility in this situation?

They require a temple. Burn their temple, no auto da fe.

[Velax]

Not an option in this scenario, unfortunately.

What is an auto de fe, exactly? What happens?

[Telrunya]

You declare someone an unbeliever and, together with your followers, burn down his Estate, throw out all other possessions and hunt down whatever people don't escape from the Estate. This effectively forces the Noble to lose his Estate / his Lord position. Never done it myself, so it might not be fully accurate.

[Velax]

Thanks.

Do you know if a lord ousted in this fashion can be reappointed immediately, as with a peasant revolt?

[Telrunya]

That would depend if he would still have a claim on the region, I'm guessing yes. Of course, an empty Duke seat is quite an opportune time for a lucky Noble to suddenly find some heritage papers that irrefutably state that he's the rightful Duke of the City, but that can't be done in the vicinity of the Capital.  But isn't the Duke the Priest of the Religion in question? Auto Da Fe wouldn't work then anyway.

Of course, Religion is also very effective in less-direct ways. If you have troops looting the region, a Priest or two causing unrest might just tip the region to revolt.

[Velax]

The current duke is a priest of the religion, yes. He won't be the duke when we take the city from him.

[Telrunya]

Then just keep a load of troops there to prevent RTOs :) Or keep Control up once you have the region stabilized.