Sanguis Astroism

[Penchant]

I prefer the Luria D'hara discourse to the Terran/Glaumring, Aurvandil/Terran, Glaumring/SA, Glaumring/Glaumring....

We use a bit more reasoning? Or is it because Luria D'hara actually involves you?

[Stabbity]

Well at the very least you and Chenier don't resort to circular glaumring logic and preposterous claims. 

[Penchant]

Well at the very least you and Chenier don't resort to circular glaumring logic and preposterous claims.

That's good. By the way, I see several of Luria's views as semi-idiotic, but I do see how you got them. (Not supposed to be an insult.)

[Stabbity]

That's good. By the way, I see several of Luria's views as semi-idiotic, but I do see how you got them. (Not supposed to be an insult.)

The reverse is true, I assure you.

[Anaris]

That's good. By the way, I see several of Luria's views as semi-idiotic, but I do see how you got them. (Not supposed to be an insult.)

Well, if you're given deeply incomplete (and often highly biased) information, but demanded to form opinions anyway, naturally some of them will look idiotic from the perspective of someone who knows the whole story.

[Penchant]

The reverse is true, I assure you.

Feel free to state whatever views of D'hara you find idiotic.

[Stabbity]

Feel free to state whatever views of D'hara you find idiotic.

Well there was that discussion in the moot when orders from Aurvandil leaked about them preparing to assault Barca, and as a part of of the orders Aurvandillian nobles were told not to enter D'hara. IMMEDIATELY D'harans began spouting conspiracy theories how that Order was indicative of an imminent attack on D'hara, and that everyone should move to protect D'haran lands. For starters.

[Penchant]

Well there was that discussion in the moot when orders from Aurvandil leaked about them preparing to assault Barca, and as a part of of the orders Aurvandillian nobles were told not to enter D'hara. IMMEDIATELY D'harans began spouting conspiracy theories how that Order was indicative of an imminent attack on D'hara, and that everyone should move to protect D'haran lands. For starters.

Chenier being an idiot is only one D'haran. Any more views, preferably those that don't only include Machiavel in it?

[Arundel]

Chenier being an idiot is only one D'haran. Any more views, preferably those that don't only include Machiavel in it?

Rynn's fear of a blind woman willing to kill him personally?

[Stabbity]

Chenier being an idiot is only one D'haran. Any more views, preferably those that don't only include Machiavel in it?

Machiavel wasn't the only involved in the discussion, and that was a time where I was getting almost 200 messages a day, so I'm not digging that deep for names.

I could name several incidents. Aiding Luria Vesperi, agreeing to their suicidal strategy of attacking in waves... The D'haran proclamations of "Great Victories" over Solaria (when in truth, it was a noble or two who arrived ahead of time), demanding Girich be handed over for restitution after the destruction of Luria Vesperi, D'hara in general wondering why Luria was so hostile when Rynn refused to hand over the defecting Vesperian regions...

[Penchant]

Machiavel wasn't the only involved in the discussion, and that was a time where I was getting almost 200 messages a day, so I'm not digging that deep for names.

I could name several incidents. Aiding Luria Vesperi, agreeing to their suicidal strategy of attacking in waves... The D'haran proclamations of "Great Victories" over Solaria (when in truth, it was a noble or two who arrived ahead of time), demanding Girich be handed over for restitution after the destruction of Luria Vesperi, D'hara in general wondering why Luria was so hostile when Rynn refused to hand over the defecting Vesperian regions...

We didn't really agree to attack in waves, there was confusion with the leaders and LV attacked in waves with one D'haran while the rest of the D'harans sat there. Aiding LV was due to Rynn wanting to be honorable and not abandon his ally right after they declared war for him. Also, Girich was less of a demand more of a bargaining chip, ie we remove that clause and look like we gave something up in negotiations. If you actually let us have we would have been happy, but as others within D'hara said, it backfired as you just got insulted over it. Also, I doubt there was another D'haran arguing for that, though I can't be sure and am not asking you look for names, its not a huge issue. As to the defection, we weren't surprised but you were being a bit overly pissy. Within in the turn the defection happened I am pretty sure Rynn said he was going to have to give them back, but Tybalt took forever.

[Stabbity]

We didn't really agree to attack in waves, there was confusion with the leaders and LV attacked in waves with one D'haran while the rest of the D'harans sat there. Aiding LV was due to Rynn wanting to be honorable and not abandon his ally right after they declared war for him. Also, Girich was less of a demand more of a bargaining chip, ie we remove that clause and look like we gave something up in negotiations. If you actually let us have we would have been happy, but as others within D'hara said, it backfired as you just got insulted over it. Also, I doubt there was another D'haran arguing for that, though I can't be sure and am not asking you look for names, its not a huge issue. As to the defection, we weren't surprised but you were being a bit overly pissy. Within in the turn the defection happened I am pretty sure Rynn said he was going to have to give them back, but Tybalt took forever.

Rynn attempted to hang onto the regions "at least until falkirk is dealt with" he claimed. Then proceeded to claim he couldn't possibly come and hand them over because he possessed one of the largest units on all of Dwilight. Which wasn't factual. Alice did come across a little harsh, but Rynn came across as completely stubborn and childish. I mean who demands a woman bears their children if they fail to live up to a treaty and expects to be taken seriously?

Girich was insulting, because from our point of view D'hara is/was completely incapable of holding the region, or even taking it save through a major fluke.

[Chenier]

And you're entirely welcome to your opinion on that.

Not so much on the fact that SA absolutely, 100% had a huge involvement in the war between us.

Okay, let's agree that this is a matter of perspective. 

SA had nothing to do on D'Hara's side, but may had a lot to do with what the Lurian side decided to do, how and when.

Well there was that discussion in the moot when orders from Aurvandil leaked about them preparing to assault Barca, and as a part of of the orders Aurvandillian nobles were told not to enter D'hara. IMMEDIATELY D'harans began spouting conspiracy theories how that Order was indicative of an imminent attack on D'hara, and that everyone should move to protect D'haran lands. For starters.

Do you trust Aurvandil? I don't! 

Yea, I'm paranoid about sea attacks...

[Stabbity]

How many realms broadcast realm wide orders that are a complete and total lie? Overly Paranoid.

[Chenier]

How many realms broadcast realm wide orders that are a complete and total lie? Overly Paranoid.

I've known it to happen...

And hey, look at who shared it... JONSU. And to whom? ALL members of the 'moot, not just full members, or elders, or the generals or rulers of conerned realms. When you have sensitive info like that, you usually don't show it all around like that...