Sanguis Astroism

[Feylonis]

Yes actually. See Swordfell episode.

[Stabbity]

Marlboro, please quit being annoying about Vellos having a hissy fit that a realm known to go to other nations cities/strongholds without warning to raze the region was asked "wtf are you doing here?".

You mean that one time Swordfell asked them to attack Balance's retreat to oust Sevastian, and they didn't even get there before turning around. So yes, when a confederate shows up, whining isn't an approrpriate response.

[Marlboro]

Yes actually. See Swordfell episode.

My no was more a petulant gesture of defiance than a refusal of the charges, but really you guys don't know !@#$ about !@#$ with regards to the Swordfell episode. Not gonna get into it on the forums though, if your character's genuinely interested they can pry and see where it gets them.

Vellos cried wolf because Perth told him we were coming to kick his ass. Perth told Vellos we were coming to kick his ass because I was very ambiguous with him because I didn't want him giving Saffalore a heads up. Perth later declared war on Vellos' realm and here we are. It has !@#$ all to do with Swordfell.

[Feylonis]

To the eyes of everyone, FR's army went east to oust Sevastian (SA member) and help Bowie (SA enemy). The fact that the FR army refused to say its intent raised suspicion all the more. It doesn't matter that they turned around before getting there (because they got caught) -- the intent was there. It wasn't very surprising, then, that any realm with the FR army close by would be very apprehensive as to their goals -- especially when they keep quiet and refuse to say anything.

[Marlboro]

To the eyes of everyone, FR's army went east to oust Sevastian (SA member) and help Bowie (SA enemy). The fact that the FR army refused to say its intent raised suspicion all the more. It doesn't matter that they turned around before getting there (because they got caught) -- the intent was there. It wasn't very surprising, then, that any realm with the FR army close by would be very apprehensive as to their goals -- especially when they keep quiet and refuse to say anything.

If you'd actually read my post you'd see why your perceptions are wholly irrelevant to the actual sequence of events re: Vellos. The fact that they're entirely incorrect is a matter for a different thread.

[Stabbity]

To the eyes of everyone, FR's army went east to oust Sevastian (SA member) and help Bowie (SA enemy). The fact that the FR army refused to say its intent raised suspicion all the more. It doesn't matter that they turned around before getting there (because they got caught) -- the intent was there. It wasn't very surprising, then, that any realm with the FR army close by would be very apprehensive as to their goals -- especially when they keep quiet and refuse to say anything.

Wrong. The whole thing was primarily instigated by Creed and Abbigal. The Latter was a Consul of SA at the time.

[Penchant]

Wrong. The whole thing was primarily instigated by Creed and Abbigal. The Latter was a Consul of SA at the time.

I am with Stabbity on this one. Also, what actually happened and your reputation need not be the same. Aka, just because we don't know what actually happened with Swordfell doesn't mean FR didn't get a reputation off of it.

[Dishman]

Wrong. The whole thing was primarily instigated by Creed and Abbigal. The Latter was a Consul of SA at the time.

Half of Swordfell was for the intervention (more SA members than Sevastian's bloc), and we all felt abused by the loss of Farronite/Swordfell autonomy. The church didn't really intervene, but word came to the church and the Farronite Judge called the troops back when it did.

Enoch personally doesn't take it as a intervention by the church, but as a fear from faithful Astroists that any secular matter may be turned into a crusade against them. It certainly didn't help Swordfell embrace SA when a Consul and 4-5 SA nobles were blocked from a purely secular attempt because calls 'that no Astroist should attack another'. Which now, in hindsight, seems silly.

[Stabbity]

Half of Swordfell was for the intervention (more SA members than Sevastian's bloc), and we all felt abused by the loss of Farronite/Swordfell autonomy. The church didn't really intervene, but word came to the church and the Farronite Judge called the troops back when it did.

Enoch personally doesn't take it as a intervention by the church, but as a fear from faithful Astroists that any secular matter may be turned into a crusade against them. It certainly didn't help Swordfell embrace SA when a Consul and 4-5 SA nobles were blocked from a purely secular attempt because calls 'that no Astroist should attack another'. Which now, in hindsight, seems silly.

What screwed that attempt was Creed bragging about it before the realm. If he had kept his mouth shut and distanced himself from it, FR likely wouldn't have been convinced to back down.

[Vellos]

If you'd actually read my post you'd see why your perceptions are wholly irrelevant to the actual sequence of events re: Vellos. The fact that they're entirely incorrect is a matter for a different thread.

You may be right and still wrong.

That is, you may be right on the facts: but from the OUTSIDE, FR earned itself a reputation for being willing to play fast and loose with the church's interests in periphery states. FR hesitance in regards to the crusade is not curing that perception.

Again, the perception may be based on a very selective perception, but that is the perception that many people have, and so it is not unreasonable to think Hireshmont might react that way.

[Chenier]

To the eyes of everyone, FR's army went east to oust Sevastian (SA member) and help Bowie (SA enemy). The fact that the FR army refused to say its intent raised suspicion all the more. It doesn't matter that they turned around before getting there (because they got caught) -- the intent was there. It wasn't very surprising, then, that any realm with the FR army close by would be very apprehensive as to their goals -- especially when they keep quiet and refuse to say anything.

I have a hard time seeing Bowie as an SA enemy, when he got lordships and government positions in Morek, and was elected by Morekians to lead the colony to begin with... For all intents and purposes, Morek put him where he is. And so, if Bowie's an enemy, so is Morek. And just saying that sounds stupid...

[dustole]

Wrong. The whole thing was primarily instigated by Creed and Abbigal. The Latter was a Consul of SA at the time.

incorrect.  This was instigated by Allison.

[dustole]

Now that Niselur has quite defiantly declined to help with the crusade we should kick their butts.  Any who don't defect from the realm should be kicked out of the church.  Send in the priests and get it all taken care of in a couple weeks.

[Indirik]

Wrong. This whole thing was instigated by my cat when she walked across the keyboard on her way to the litterbox one day. In the process, she composed the letter that started the entire train of events. IIRC, the letter went something like this:

Fffffdfcyyyyugugjygjjllklmjnlkmjlkk

Of course you can see how that was the trigger for this whole event.

Bad kitty! Bad!

[Chenier]

Now that Niselur has quite defiantly declined to help with the crusade we should kick their butts.  Any who don't defect from the realm should be kicked out of the church.  Send in the priests and get it all taken care of in a couple weeks.

Shouldn't have allowed a rebellion against the rightful theocratic ruler, Turin!