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« Reply #3060: June 22, 2013, 05:30:20 PM »
LE paid Niselur to protect them from Morek: I'm not sure what LE will do when Niselur provokes Morek into attacking them.

What Luria Nova attacks Morek to take pressure off Libero?
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« Reply #3061: June 22, 2013, 05:41:13 PM »
Well, one could always make the case that Libero is merely trying to get themselves into something exciting.

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« Reply #3062: June 22, 2013, 06:00:59 PM »
So how is this going to go down,

Niselur vs Astrum

Asylon and FR help against Astrum, possibly pulling Phantaria in as well.
This means Libero will possibly help Niselur, but Morek will attack Libero.
Corsanctum obviously joins Astrum & Morek. Swordfell aids Morek & D'hara.
Which means LN will attack D'Hara, pulling in Barca as well.
Saffalore will !@#$ itself in happyness (if they live that long) and aid LN.
Terran will be a hardline-SA realm attacking Phantaria and FR from behind.
Meanwhile cheating Aurvandil does massive landgrabs.


Sounds like a tale worth telling. Idk if this is entirely correct though and I bet a couple of realms will surprise us yet.


I think, if this happens, Dwilight will not be the same.
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« Reply #3063: June 22, 2013, 06:17:47 PM »
Saffalore will not live that long. And whatever Terran does, if this war breaks out, they'll be at their neighbors' mercy, because no one's gonna lift a finger for them while many would be overeager to destroy them.
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« Reply #3064: June 22, 2013, 06:39:37 PM »
If all this happens as you wrote  Wolfang D'hara would not exist anymore as LN and Aurvandil would wipe em off continent.

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« Reply #3065: June 22, 2013, 06:52:51 PM »
If all this happens as you wrote  Wolfang D'hara would not exist anymore as LN and Aurvandil would wipe em off continent.

The cheater realm isn't as strong as it used to be. D'Hara's got Barca on their west flank, and Swordfell on their east flank. Fissoa likely will remain on Aurvandil's ass as well. So while D'Hara would not be in a good position should Luria Nova attack it, it will be far from lost in advance. D'Hara has many allies and friends, all around it. And Luria Nova proved incapable of beating D'Hara when we were down to a few starving regions, why would they do any better now that we have recovered all of our regions and most of them are productive once more? We've got a better income, more infrastructure, and a lot more nobles than last time we fought. And there's also Swordfell+Morek to consider, which wasn't part of the game last time.
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« Reply #3066: June 22, 2013, 08:24:59 PM »
LE paid Niselur to protect them from Morek: I'm not sure what LE will do when Niselur provokes Morek into attacking them.

As far as I remember, I don't think LE has paid us the gold yet. Because their King was suppose to visit us with gold to deposit into our bank, but that never materialized because of all the recent unrest.

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« Reply #3067: June 22, 2013, 09:34:33 PM »
I keep seeing the phrase "too many people don't understand how SA works".
That's because it's true. They don't. You don't. You never did figure out how it worked. You know how to tear it down, and you're very good at causing trouble. But you never knew how it worked, or could make it work.

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SA has not found itself able to evolve with the times, and has been relying purely on its history of success to see it through its recent actions. Ignoring the vocal majority of the full members is a huge mistake that has cost the Church a great deal. The politics of the elders have continued to alienate more and more individuals who wield considerable amounts of secular power. The Last Crusade is proof that the elders are out of touch with the secular powers.
In a way, this is true. SA has not evolved. But the evolution many people seem to want is to evolve into some powerless, toothless mass. If that's the kind of evolution you want, then too bad. It's better for the church to die than become the plain vanilla crap that every other religion in BattleMaster has become.

This latest crusade did not cause the problem. It simply revealed the problem that has been there for a long time, and growing. The expansion of SA into the south was the success that started the downhill slide. Too much success brought too many political conversions, and power seekers. It's been building for a couple years. The reason a lot of people didn't see it before was that the church wasn't making any demands of its members. As soon as it did, the veneer cracked, and all the internal flaws popped out into the open.

It was inevitable, really. Too many conflicting personalities. If enough people join it, you will eventually gain enough members from incompatible families. Imagine trying to have a single realm with all of these same people in it... It would fracture into pieces inside of a week. Plus you then add in all the people only interested in tearing others down, or destroying SA just to be able to say they were the one that did it. But too bad for them, because when the game is over, the post-game analysis will give Leopold the credit.

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You claim that nobles not bending over themselves to please the church isn't typical medieval, but that simply isn't true.
I never made that claim. What I said is that in order for any organization in BattleMaster to succeed, there needs to be a critical mass of players willing to make their character subservient to that organization. This does not mean that they have to play toady, or slave, or mindless minion. But they have to recognize the church's authority, and be willing to play along with the church, even if there is no direct punishment mechanism to enforce it, like bans and fines. Imagine how long a realm would last if the ruler declared a war, and 60% of the nobles in the realm called him a fool and refused to fight.
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« Reply #3068: June 22, 2013, 10:29:22 PM »
That's because it's true. They don't. You don't. You never did figure out how it worked. You know how to tear it down, and you're very good at causing trouble. But you never knew how it worked, or could make it work.
In a way, this is true. SA has not evolved. But the evolution many people seem to want is to evolve into some powerless, toothless mass. If that's the kind of evolution you want, then too bad. It's better for the church to die than become the plain vanilla crap that every other religion in BattleMaster has become.

This latest crusade did not cause the problem. It simply revealed the problem that has been there for a long time, and growing. The expansion of SA into the south was the success that started the downhill slide. Too much success brought too many political conversions, and power seekers. It's been building for a couple years. The reason a lot of people didn't see it before was that the church wasn't making any demands of its members. As soon as it did, the veneer cracked, and all the internal flaws popped out into the open.

It was inevitable, really. Too many conflicting personalities. If enough people join it, you will eventually gain enough members from incompatible families. Imagine trying to have a single realm with all of these same people in it... It would fracture into pieces inside of a week. Plus you then add in all the people only interested in tearing others down, or destroying SA just to be able to say they were the one that did it. But too bad for them, because when the game is over, the post-game analysis will give Leopold the credit.
I never made that claim. What I said is that in order for any organization in BattleMaster to succeed, there needs to be a critical mass of players willing to make their character subservient to that organization. This does not mean that they have to play toady, or slave, or mindless minion. But they have to recognize the church's authority, and be willing to play along with the church, even if there is no direct punishment mechanism to enforce it, like bans and fines. Imagine how long a realm would last if the ruler declared a war, and 60% of the nobles in the realm called him a fool and refused to fight.

This is a very heavy handed, arrogant view of what's happening.

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« Reply #3069: June 22, 2013, 11:04:41 PM »
...because it doesn't agree with the way you see it.
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« Reply #3070: June 22, 2013, 11:15:57 PM »
...because it doesn't agree with the way you see it.

Or the way I see it either...  ;)
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« Reply #3071: June 22, 2013, 11:22:59 PM »
Well, yeah, but you're crazy.
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« Reply #3072: June 22, 2013, 11:36:58 PM »
The reason a lot of people didn't see it before was that the church wasn't making any demands of its members. As soon as it did, the veneer cracked, and all the internal flaws popped out into the open.

Which is hilarious, because nothing was really needed from it's members. The safeguarding of Terran seemed like a good example of what SA is more capable of, a good bluff. At most, all people had to do was give some food, a few claims of "yeah, we'll help if you need", and sending a token force to visit Terran.
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« Reply #3073: June 23, 2013, 03:52:35 AM »
Which is hilarious, because nothing was really needed from it's members. The safeguarding of Terran seemed like a good example of what SA is more capable of, a good bluff. At most, all people had to do was give some food, a few claims of "yeah, we'll help if you need", and sending a token force to visit Terran.

Yeah, that was the funny thing to me: everybody freaked out when all they had to do was send a letter to Kale being like, "Yo. Cut it out."
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« Reply #3074: June 23, 2013, 04:29:05 AM »
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