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« Reply #1995: February 11, 2013, 03:24:02 PM »
I've lately found that when Mathurin does deign to write a letter, they're masterful in provoking comment, thought, or action. Usually in ways that are contradictory. He's been walking the line between a figurehead who retains much of his authority because of his detachment from daily affairs, and a driver of events, quite well. That hasn't always been the case.

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« Reply #1996: February 11, 2013, 03:30:18 PM »
He is very good about that.
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« Reply #1997: February 11, 2013, 08:49:47 PM »
Honestly, Mathurin plays the religion leader/founder better than any player I've seen it that role. I've been genuinely impressed/annoyed by it.
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« Reply #1998: February 11, 2013, 10:31:08 PM »
Honestly, Mathurin plays the religion leader/founder better than any player I've seen it that role. I've been genuinely impressed/annoyed by it.

IT helps to have a large religion that is able to go on without him.
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« Reply #1999: February 11, 2013, 11:08:57 PM »
IT helps to have a large religion that is able to go on without him.
I think he is actually talking about his great skill in the way he talks in his letters. The size of your religion shouldn't matter about that.
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« Reply #2000: February 11, 2013, 11:14:25 PM »
I think he is actually talking about his great skill in the way he talks in his letters. The size of your religion shouldn't matter about that.

I'm not questioning his skill. I'm just saying that the form of a religion limits how "great" the leader or founder can be.
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« Reply #2001: February 11, 2013, 11:16:56 PM »
I'm not questioning his skill. I'm just saying that the form of a religion limits how "great" the leader or founder can be.
I disagree. Its the leader which makes that all happen which is why so there are so few successful religions. Takes a lot of work to form your religion to where you can be in Mathurins position of leader that need not lead most the time.
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« Reply #2002: February 11, 2013, 11:26:48 PM »
I disagree. Its the leader which makes that all happen which is why so there are so few successful religions. Takes a lot of work to form your religion to where you can be in Mathurins position of leader that need not lead most the time.

If you claim that Mathurin is what allowed SA to become big, then I would challenge that claim. A bad leader could have made it fail, but one would not have needed to be exceptionally skilled to make it grow big. Circumstances created SA, not Mathurin.
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« Reply #2003: February 11, 2013, 11:28:56 PM »
If you claim that Mathurin is what allowed SA to become big, then I would challenge that claim. A bad leader could have made it fail, but one would not have needed to be exceptionally skilled to make it grow big. Circumstances created SA, not Mathurin.
I am not claiming Mathurin made SA big, but I am claiming that he formed the system of the church in a way that he doesn't need to do everything or even much at all.
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« Reply #2004: February 11, 2013, 11:45:42 PM »
It did take both circumstances and leadership. Without the semi-mythical leadership of Mathurin, the religion could easily have fractured. Mathurin doesn't say much, so when he does say something, people pay attention. And it's obvious that he is paying attention, and not just ignoring everything. He comments in ways that get people thinking, and moving in the appropriate direction, without obvious pushes and orders. It is a very deft touch, and highly effective.
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« Reply #2005: February 12, 2013, 04:44:56 AM »
Yes, +1 to Mathurin's skill. Mmm, crusade!

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« Reply #2006: February 12, 2013, 08:07:53 PM »
Mathurin doesn't say much, so when he does say something, people pay attention. And it's obvious that he is paying attention, and not just ignoring everything. He comments in ways that get people thinking, and moving in the appropriate direction, without obvious pushes and orders. It is a very deft touch, and highly effective.

That's pretty much it. I initially assumed the player was just refusing to let go, but barely paying attention to the game. Happy to have been proven wrong.

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« Reply #2007: February 13, 2013, 04:57:41 AM »
He really does take such a minimalist approach that he leaves all the real decisions in everyone else's hands, most of the time. Like this OA thing. Sure they're evil, okay, but that doesn't mean it warrants a Crusade. Lots of things are evil. So nothing actually changes, unless the elders and everyone else make changes happen.
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« Reply #2008: February 27, 2013, 06:46:43 PM »
Theocrats are having a heyday with Swordfell's crisis...

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« Reply #2009: February 27, 2013, 09:30:59 PM »
Well I was happy to send Farronite army your way but after creeds letter to swordfell to many complained and Gustav turned the force back. I would have stayed longer but orders had been given...
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