Election as lord of city making one Duke

[BardicNerd]

I'm not sure if this is still supposed to happen, but my understanding of the new estate system is that it was not -- the duke of Springdale (on Dwilight) (both lord of the region and duke of the duchy) left the game, so there were elections for the lordship of the region.  Somehow, though, the winner of the election became Duchess -- while this would be expected before the New Estates, I thought that there were no capitals anymore and that the positions were now separate?  Is this intended, or a bug?

[JPierreD]

Seems like a bug/incomplete feature. The Ruler was supposed to be able to appoint the next Duke.

[BardicNerd]

Before someone was elected as lord of the city, I was able to appoint a duke, but can no longer do so.

[Indirik]

Well, of course you can't appoint someone now, there already is a duke.

This is obviously a bug that is due to the new system being incomplete.

[Velax]

So what are the lords of cities getting called if they're not the duke?

[fodder]

generically? lord of X city.... XD
think they haven't come up with good names yet?

[Chenier]

I'm a little surprised that these significant details weren't determined before the new system went live.

"Commander" was the title I think was considered.

Guillaume Chénier, Commander of Iato, duke of Iato, Hetman of Imperskoe Viys'ko iz Fheuv'na and Ambassador of Imperskoe Viys'ko iz Fheuv'na

Thank god I'm no longer the banker as well!

I really wish that "Ambassador" wouldn't show for rulers (or any government member, really) though.

[Shenron]

I'm a little surprised that these significant details weren't determined before the new system went live.

"Commander" was the title I think was considered.

Guillaume Chénier, Commander of Iato, duke of Iato, Hetman of Imperskoe Viys'ko iz Fheuv'na and Ambassador of Imperskoe Viys'ko iz Fheuv'na

Thank god I'm no longer the banker as well!

I really wish that "Ambassador" wouldn't show for rulers (or any government member, really) though.

We should probably make Commander and Duke combine in the same way as government positions combine. E.g. Commander and Duke of X rather than Commander of X, Duke of X

[Chenier]

We should probably make Commander and Duke combine in the same way as government positions combine. E.g. Commander and Duke of X rather than Commander of X, Duke of X

Except that eventually, the Duke of Iato might be the Count of Sandlakes, and not the Commander of Iato. Equally, if I understood correctly that duchies will be able to be named in a customized manner (I might have misunderstood), then the commander of Iato may end up being the Duke of Awesomia.

[Telrunya]

Yes, Duchies can get any name at creation, though naming it after the region is highly recommended. The Duke of Iato might even eventually hold no Lordtitle at all as well!

[Chenier]

Yes, Duchies can get any name at creation, though naming it after the region is highly recommended. The Duke of Iato might even eventually hold no Lordtitle at all as well!

Is this intended? 'cause when the system went live, I recall seeing "if you get bugged out for trying to do things like making yourself a duke without a lordship, then you'll get no mercy".

Naming it on the city might be recommended, but I think the standard will become, over time, to change it at least a little. Iato might be an eventual part of the duchy of Iat'r, for example. Dyomoque could be part of the duchy of Dyomokia, Fwuvoghor of Voghoria, etc.

[fodder]

commander is such a weird title.

surely the should stick to earls and what not..

[vonGenf]

My Dwilight character is Marquis of Caiyun and Duke of the First Temple. Yet, this only shows up in the realm hierarchy: he still signs his letters "Marquis of Caiyun, Ambassador of Morek Empire".

[JPierreD]

I would welcome a different title for lords of cities, other than Commander.
Prince would be my favorite (not to be mistaken with Crown Prince).

[Sacha]

Prince is a royal title, it shouldn't be used for lordship positions.