Civilization expanding?

[Indirik]

Does the SA church have any proscriptions against consorting with the daimons? Or, oh, well, let's say, selling food to them, for example?

Not so far as I know. SA is, for the most part, too far north to have any kind of dealings with the daimons, or any real policies about them. Asylon as a realm may have some rules/laws.

[Chenier]

Bwahahahahaha. Picture someone saying this back in the Middle Ages: "Well, I'd rather be on the Devil's side than on God's."

More like orthodox kingdoms preferring to side with muslim ones than catholic ones. While the North and the South-West are both human, both the North and the Zuma are alien in culture to the South-West, and one of them is close, mostly passive, and has great potential for trade while the other is far, has a history of knocking down smaller neighbors, and has very limited long-term trading potential.

If open war breaks between the Zuma and SA, I couldn't think of a single good reason to make us want to be on SA's side, as the Zuma has the potential of offering better on every level. Are they creepy and do they disturb our morals? A little. But then again, so do most realms outside of the 'moot.

[egamma]

I'm a little late to the thread, but from my one and only visit to the Zuma, I would not be surprised if they have a peacetime standing army of 80k CS. Meaning that every realm from Terran to Madina could take them on, and lose. We could probably defeat their first region, which only has 10k CS, but then their remaining regions would probably bunch up their forces and come and eat us alive.

[Chenier]

I'm a little late to the thread, but from my one and only visit to the Zuma, I would not be surprised if they have a peacetime standing army of 80k CS. Meaning that every realm from Terran to Madina could take them on, and lose. We could probably defeat their first region, which only has 10k CS, but then their remaining regions would probably bunch up their forces and come and eat us alive.

Assuming we could launch a surprise attack, and that they not be waiting for us or attacking us on our own lands.

[Vaylon Kenadell]

If open war breaks between the Zuma and SA, I couldn't think of a single good reason to make us want to be on SA's side,

I am currently there for negotiations, and they scare the poo-poo out of me.

[Creed]

Wouldn't bother me. I'm fairly certain that if SA decided to raise any fuss with us over it, we'd have Zuma backing. I'd rather be on the Zuma's side than on SA's, and by a long shot.

Just seems to be you are picking the easiest side what is the fun in that. You will have the most fun picking the underdog side because if you win it would be that much more epic,

[Geronus]

Just seems to be you are picking the easiest side what is the fun in that. You will have the most fun picking the underdog side because if you win it would be that much more epic,

Right, right... But if you don't win you would be that much more dead.

[egamma]

Besides, we'd be picking the side that is at least predictable--there's no guarantee that if we side with SA, that they would continue to back us. I'm pretty confident that the Zuma don't have any interest in our lands.

[Geronus]

Besides, we'd be picking the side that is at least predictable--there's no guarantee that if we side with SA, that they would continue to back us. I'm pretty confident that the Zuma don't have any interest in our lands.

Wait, wait, you're saying the Zuma are more predictable than SA? Isn't the word 'predictable' a bit of a stretch when applied to a bunch of alien, inhuman creatures with inscrutable motives?

[vonGenf]

Wait, wait, you're saying the Zuma are more predictable than SA? Isn't the word 'predictable' a bit of a stretch when applied to a bunch of alien, inhuman creatures with inscrutable motives?

What he's saying is that if SA became more alien, inhuman and inscrutable, then he'd trust us more.

This is the kind of challenge I like.....

[Vellos]

Wait, wait, you're saying the Zuma are more predictable than SA? Isn't the word 'predictable' a bit of a stretch when applied to a bunch of alien, inhuman creatures with inscrutable motives?

The Zuma are not inscrutable.

Don't mess with them, they don't mess with you, as long as they aren't starving.

[Chenier]

Just seems to be you are picking the easiest side what is the fun in that. You will have the most fun picking the underdog side because if you win it would be that much more epic,

Disregarding the fact that we are *not* militaristic, I'm sure getting yourself killed in a battle you have no chance of winning is lots of fun, right?

Wait, wait, you're saying the Zuma are more predictable than SA? Isn't the word 'predictable' a bit of a stretch when applied to a bunch of alien, inhuman creatures with inscrutable motives?

Quite the contrary. I think SA is *too* predictable. ;)

[Ramiel]

Quite the contrary. I think SA is *too* predictable. ;)

Lol, very very nice Chenier!

[BardicNerd]

What he's saying is that if SA became more alien, inhuman and inscrutable, then he'd trust us more.

This is the kind of challenge I like.....

I can work with this.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Asylon merely has trade and a minor religion based around the Zuma. There is no special relationship. They use us and us them. Zuma are kinda boring, wish there was actual sonething to say more about them. I wish they had a flag, I wish more humans could join them and become like a. Zuma slave army kingdom, i hope they also have limited recruitment and a beatable army.