Civilization expanding?

Indirik · February 12, 2012, 02:58:28 AM

We have to stock up to feed Darfix. :-\

Glaumring the Fox · February 12, 2012, 03:04:30 AM

Thats the thing Asylon and Terran are very SA tolerant, well in Asylons case even rules by an Astroist king. Asylon isn't fundamentalist but thats hardly and issue because neither is Summerdale and Libero. I think the Prophet in Corsanctum should just say 'everyone fight! whoever wins is the most virtuous realm and will be brought into heaven with the prophet in the end times...lololol"

De-Legro · February 12, 2012, 03:49:53 AM

Why do people always try to let reality get in the way of a good war declaration.

Chenier · February 12, 2012, 04:47:47 AM

Quote from: De-Legro on February 12, 2012, 03:49:53 AM
Why do people always try to let reality get in the way of a good war declaration.

Kabrinskia is always free to declare war on Ishaltur.

Glaumring the Fox · February 12, 2012, 05:38:15 AM

Because no one wants to lose and just like poker, everyone wants someone to sucker someone else to go all in on a bad hand...

Creed · February 12, 2012, 06:49:25 PM

Quote from: Glaumring on February 12, 2012, 05:38:15 AM
Because no one wants to lose and just like poker, everyone wants someone to sucker someone else to go all in on a bad hand...

Though you can win with a bad hand in poker.

Chenier · February 12, 2012, 06:55:01 PM

Quote from: Creed on February 12, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
Though you can win with a bad hand in poker.

You can win with a bad realm in BM. Aurvandil's geography in no way favored them in this war. Had Madina been the least bit competent, Aurvandil would have been swiftly crushed.

Similarly, on BT, Rio always had better movement rates than Enweil and good military leadership. If Enweil beat it so many times, it was because of its vastly superior economy (it wasn't doing so well in the last war, because precisely the invasion had boosted Rio and greatly weakened Enweil's economy).

Proof that both economy and cohesiveness can, basically on their own, grant victory.

Indirik · February 12, 2012, 07:20:40 PM

Quote from: Chénier on February 12, 2012, 06:55:01 PMAurvandil's geography in no way favored them in this war.

Yes it does. It obviously does. The only way Madina could attack was by sea passage to a stronghold. That's a very big advantage.

That's not to say that Madina was no incompetent. They did not handle things well at all. But that doesn't mean that Aurvandil didn't have a geographic advantage.

Chenier · February 12, 2012, 07:34:29 PM

Quote from: Indirik on February 12, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
Yes it does. It obviously does. The only way Madina could attack was by sea passage to a stronghold. That's a very big advantage.

That's not to say that Madina was no incompetent. They did not handle things well at all. But that doesn't mean that Aurvandil didn't have a geographic advantage.

No, it wasn't. Geography strongly favored Madina over Aurvandil. Aurvandil had a city to defend, while Madina had a stronghold to their defense: Madina could afford greater walls. On top of that, Madina had wealthier lands, with those townslands and a big city. Finally, Aurvandil had a completely exposed rear, while no one could easily backstab Madina.

That nobody ended up backstabbing Aurvandil does not mean that the serious vulnerability did not exist.

Indirik · February 12, 2012, 07:49:02 PM

Madina had the stronghold? Hrmm... I had that backward. I still wouldn't call Aurvandil's position weak. They were only fighting Madina, and Madina couldn't hit them from behind. Everyone knew that Barca wasn't about to attack them from behind. Aurvandil couldn't be attacked from behind any more than Madina could. Barca was giving Aurvandil rich land. They wouldn't be doing that if they were going to attack, or permit them to be attacked. The only way Aurvandil could be attacked was that sea route, ending in a heavily fortified city.

Chenier · February 12, 2012, 07:52:07 PM

Quote from: Indirik on February 12, 2012, 07:49:02 PM
Madina had the stronghold? Hrmm... I had that backward. I still wouldn't call Aurvandil's position weak. They were only fighting Madina, and Madina couldn't hit them from behind. Everyone knew that Barca wasn't about to attack them from behind. Aurvandil couldn't be attacked from behind any more than Madina could. Barca was giving Aurvandil rich land. They wouldn't be doing that if they were going to attack, or permit them to be attacked. The only way Aurvandil could be attacked was that sea route, ending in a heavily fortified city.

Barca didn't do that as soon as the war began. And the 'moot not attacking that flank was 100% of Madina's own doing. Just as was the 'Moot's intervention in the early phases of the war when Aurvandil was still quite weak. Was it not for our intervention, Madina could probably have run over Aurvandil there and then. Aurvandil was not always this strong at all.

Sacha · February 12, 2012, 07:58:16 PM

Note to self: Destroy the 'moot for allowing evil to thrive.

Chenier · February 12, 2012, 08:07:13 PM

Quote from: Sacha on February 12, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
Note to self: Destroy the 'moot for allowing evil to thrive.

Some in the moot really wanted to side with Madina, but Madina just wasn't doing itself any favors.

Sacha · February 12, 2012, 08:34:41 PM

Excuses, excuses.

Vellos · February 12, 2012, 08:58:39 PM

Quote from: Chénier on February 12, 2012, 08:07:13 PM
Some in the moot really wanted to side with Madina, but Madina just wasn't doing itself any favors.

Yeah... if Madina had just played nice and given us what we asked for, Aurvandil would be crushed, and we'd be well on our way to having a 4th Moot realm.

But Madina didn't have enough of a will to live.

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