Militia drops and inalienable rights

[pcw27]

Does the right to pick your unit type apply if a character is recruiting a unit simply to perform a militia drop that they have volunteered for?

[Dante Silverfire]

Does the right to pick your unit type apply if a character is recruiting a unit simply to perform a militia drop that they have volunteered for?

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it does. If someone wants militia of a certain unit type placed in a region, they need to either do it themselves, or find someone that wants to lead that type of unit.

[Tom]

Your question is answered right on the wiki page: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Inalienable_rights

Exceptions
We try to make the rules very basic and very strict, in order to prevent people from "gaming the system". That means that there are usually no exceptions.

[Draco Tanos]

Tom, the word right in front of your bolded portion means there are sometimes exceptions.

That's probably why they had to ask this question, otherwise it'd be a non-issue.

[Gustav Kuriga]

Tom, the word right in front of your bolded portion means there are sometimes exceptions.

That's probably why they had to ask this question, otherwise it'd be a non-issue.

This.

[egamma]

And, not trying to be a word-lawyer or whatever, but it says the "Choosing which type of unit to command". If they are militia, then they are not under your command--you're basically just a ferry boat.

[Eithad]

Why is this even an issue? If you dont want them dropping any random unit, get someone else to volunteer to do the drop who will drop the type of unit you want.

[OFaolain]

If someone is volunteering to drop militia for you, then I would think it'd be implicit that they're also volunteering to drop the militia you tell them to drop, no?  Especially if you offer to front the gold for it:  if you say "I'll fund someone to the tune of 200 gold if they'll drop archers in Darfix", and then they turn around and take your cash to recruit infantry, I would think you'd be justified in punishing them for it since they already agreed to it, wouldn't you?  You could punish them for "defrauding the government" (since they did) instead of "recruiting the wrong unit", just like I saw in the Magistrate Q&A section that it's okay to protest out a ruler who's not doing anything for "failure to perform" (which they are) instead of "inactivity", and it's okay to fine a knight who doesn't move on time for dereliction of duty, but if the next day you get a message from them saying "my deepest apologies, my horse was startled and reared up, throwing me from it and I broke my leg (OOC: sorry, didn't have time to log on yesterday)", you send them a refund and everything's cool again.

It should also be especially fine to say "drop archers or nothing at all", I think.  And like Eithad said, you could always just find someone else who *is* willing to drop the militia you want if the guy who volunteered to drop militia in the first place is intransigent about it (which would just be the strangest thing: "I'll drop militia for you... oh, you want ARCHERS, nope, no-can-do, I only drop cavalry.")  I mean, I guess you can't *make* someone put the militia type down that you want (or punish them if they refuse to pick up that kind of unit), but it shouldn't be tough to find someone who's willing to do it, especially if you toss a few extra gold coins their way (just like you can't make anyone log in to move 5 minutes before the turn change, but you can gather people who are willing to do it into one "elite strike force" army).

[Foundation]

If you give someone gold to do something for you, and they did something else, the issue is not with the IR.

[Zakilevo]

If you give someone gold to do something for you, and they did something else, the issue is not with the IR.

+1

It is an in game issue. You can recruit whatever you want to command but once you drop them, it becomes an in character issue.

[Chenier]

If you give someone gold to do something for you, and they did something else, the issue is not with the IR.

As long as the person has the option to refuse the request.

"I will give 100 gold to whoever wants to recruit mixed infantry to drop them as militia in Mordor" is fine.
"Take this 100 gold and go drop mixed infantry as militia in Mordor", however... I would be inclined to say not so fine.

The IRs make no distinction for the period of time one's orders about unit type may apply. While I personally find it ridiculous to make a fuss about an order that lasts a few days at most, militia are not always needed right next to the capital either.

An order to recruit a certain type of unit to drop them as militia remains an order to recruit a certain type of unit. However, stuff like "Mordor needs MI" and "I will finance anyone who wants to go to Mordor with MI" is fine, be it for militia or not (as long as you don't use this as a veiled method of exclusion).

[OFaolain]

"I will give 100 gold to whoever wants to recruit mixed infantry to drop them as militia in Mordor" is fine.
"Take this 100 gold and go drop mixed infantry as militia in Mordor", however... I would be inclined to say not so fine.

That was my understanding based on the other things I've read around here, in far fewer words. :)

[Tom]

Tom, the word right in front of your bolded portion means there are sometimes exceptions.

Yes, if so defined by me, to be blunt. Players don't get to define exceptions. So you can basically read it as "there are no exceptions (unless a GM specifically says so)".

I thought the word "in general" would be clear enough. Meaning that if there are exceptions, you will find them listed somewhere.