A Matter Of Honour // This-Is-How-You-Declare-War.

[Marlboro]

As far as I know they don't ban religions, just the building of temples.

Don't they also forbid their nobles from being affiliated with any major religions? If so, that would prevent people from playing Priests. That's why I always thought they should make Monarchism into a religion since it seems to fit the standards for one, and it would prevent people from accusing them of atheism.

[Lanyon]

So do y'all think something along the lines of napolean couldn't have happened in medieval times? Aurvandil even kind of follows suit with their break away from Madina and the hardships they've had to deal with. Therefore, I think it would be perfectly logical that the people of Aurvandil could come to believe only in their monarch.

[De-Legro]

Don't they also forbid their nobles from being affiliated with any major religions? If so, that would prevent people from playing Priests. That's why I always thought they should make Monarchism into a religion since it seems to fit the standards for one, and it would prevent people from accusing them of atheism.

I've not heard of them restricting religious affiliation. I have heard of a don't ask don't tell policy but I can't confirm that it is the case.

Besides we are forgetting a key aspect here. Even if I don't join a major religion my noble is still religious, just defined as following some small pagan faith. There is no requirement that people belong to major religions, even on Dwilight. Tom's comments only apply to people that claim to be atheist.

[De-Legro]

So do y'all think something along the lines of napolean couldn't have happened in medieval times? Aurvandil even kind of follows suit with their break away from Madina and the hardships they've had to deal with. Therefore, I think it would be perfectly logical that the people of Aurvandil could come to believe only in their monarch.

Logical "what if's" are always dangerous. Given time people could construct a what if that would give rise to a modern democracy in a medieval setting as well. I could however easily see a realm elevating their Monarch in such a way, but then I would also see them building temples and rites around it. If you are going to transfer the relevance and belief in deities to a physical being, to me it would make sense that you basically elevate them to the position of demi-god.

That said I see no reason why there is a problem with Aurvandil as is. Obviously the peasants are happy to follow numerous and varied local pagan systems. Without large organised religions operating in the realm and converting the peasants I see little reason why a nobles religious beliefs would not be a private matter.

[JPierreD]

As far as I know they don't ban religions, just the building of temples.

How can one ban religions besides not allowing temples to be built or priests to preach? That is precisely what the Theocracies do unaffiliated religions. There is no much more to do.

So do y'all think something along the lines of napolean couldn't have happened in medieval times? Aurvandil even kind of follows suit with their break away from Madina and the hardships they've had to deal with. Therefore, I think it would be perfectly logical that the people of Aurvandil could come to believe only in their monarch.

Napoleonic times came influenced by a lot of ideals of the enlightenment age, republicanism tied with Emperor-semi-worship (or personality cult), French revolution, universal rights, anti-clericalism and whatnot. It's everything besides Medieval.

I'm not advocating we stay 100% faithful to the Medieval times, but an ideology of that magnitude of difference seriously harms the atmosphere. It's like me RPing my  noble as a socialist, or a vegan.

[De-Legro]

How can one ban religions besides not allowing temples to be built or priests to preach? That is precisely what the Theocracies do unaffiliated religions. There is no much more to do.

You can try to ban anyone from your realm that is discovered to even belong to a religion.

Napoleonic times came influenced by a lot of ideals of the enlightenment age, republicanism tied with Emperor-semi-worship (or personality cult), French revolution, universal rights, anti-clericalism and whatnot. It's everything besides Medieval.

While the French certainly revered Napoleon its not like they abandoned religion entirely.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Instead of SMA is should be Serious Conan the Barbarian type world setting.

[JPierreD]

You can try to ban anyone from your realm that is discovered to even belong to a religion.

Counterproductive. Not even the theocracies do that with people of other religions.

[De-Legro]

Counterproductive. Not even the theocracies do that with people of other religions.

Its only counterproductive if you assume a reasonable number of nobles would disobey the edict to start with.

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

We hold a very strong don't ask don't tell policy on the religion, you can be religious, but to admit it would get you severely socially ostracised, Mendicant might even go so far as to exclude the person from his Royal Banquets, which by law attendance is mandatory for all nobles and is the most important social/political event in Aurvandil, the centre of our Commonwealth and the ties that bind the nobility, if you aren't allowed at his banquets than you are lower than the dirt, below recognition or relevancy.

In ancient Spartan society the most important thing in life for a man was to be included in their Mess halls (Or whatever they were called) it's a similar thing in Aurvandil.

[Allomere]

"They might be athiests! - Magistrates!!"
"They might be restricting Priest class - Magistrates!!"
"They might be _insert wild assumption_ - Magistrates!!"

Oh and just incase it was too dry .. the Napoleon thing was a joke. The fact that all the "Thats not SMA!" comments were pointless notwithstanding; that the most fanatical Monarchists on Dwilight are actually 18th Century genociding Republicans is definitely the genus of our entire realm's roleplay and culture.~

I might as well have said Allomere was more like a "thin, white, Mugabe", but then I'd probably be being not-SMA and a rascist.

"Magistrates!!!"

[JPierreD]

We hold a very strong don't ask don't tell policy on the religion, you can be religious, but to admit it would get you severely socially ostracised, Mendicant might even go so far as to exclude the person from his Royal Banquets, which by law attendance is mandatory for all nobles and is the most important social/political event in Aurvandil, the centre of our Commonwealth and the ties that bind the nobility, if you aren't allowed at his banquets than you are lower than the dirt, below recognition or relevancy.

In ancient Spartan society the most important thing in life for a man was to be included in their Mess halls (Or whatever they were called) it's a similar thing in Aurvandil.

So admitting religiousness makes one ostracized? In medieval times? Really? I mean, I can understand that in certain circles of contemporaneous society, but in those times everyone was religious to a certain extent. Their whole world view was explained by religion! Those not part of a Church are still religious, just not of an organized one...

[Marlboro]

*Trolling.*

*Counter-trolling, flame war ensues.*

Seriously dude, don't be like that.

[Perth]

Oh and just incase it was too dry .. the Napoleon thing was a joke.

You act like it's hard to believe. You all send obnoxious arrogant letters chock full of French terms, your signature is full of French, you rename everything in French, and yes you do seem to style your realm around all kinds of French stuff.

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

So admitting religiousness makes one ostracized? In medieval times? Really? I mean, I can understand that in certain circles of contemporaneous society, but in those times everyone was religious to a certain extent. Their whole world view was explained by religion! Those not part of a Church are still religious, just not of an organized one...

Medieval times, you mean those times in Europe where there was a single religion with a handful of churches with slight deviations in their own belief, enforced by both law and force of arms? We can hardly realistically be "SMA" about religion if we're copying medieval Europe, and it'd be !@#$ if we tried to.

And Aurvandil is religious to an extent, we call it Monarchism.

The Oxford Dictionary defines religion as this:

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods:

[count noun] a particular system of faith and worship: the world’s great religions
[count noun] a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion:

That rather sums up Aurvandil's attitudes towards Monarchism and the High Sovereign, we just don't call it religion because that would imply it's... faith based, mere belief and worship, as opposed to being very real and ever present in peoples daily lives in a quantifiable, provable way.

You act like it's hard to believe. You all send obnoxious arrogant letters chock full of French terms, your signature is full of French, you rename everything in French, and yes you do seem to style your realm around all kinds of French stuff.

Just in case you're in any doubt, France existed for a long time before Napoleon came around, and so did the French language. We're a hilarious mix of post revolution France, and pre Revolution Frace, as well as the Chivalry era of France. Which, encompasses nearly six hundred years of Frenchness, from the middle ages onwards.