New War Predictions

[Kwanstein]

It's because elves represent what is pure, so them getting raped is like an allegory for the corruption of purity.

[Draco Tanos]

In some I'm sure that's true.  In others?  Probably just a fetish.

[Kwanstein]

Some authors may be ignorant as to why it seems so right for elves, the flawless race of immortals, to be degraded in such a manner, but subconsciously they do it for exactly the reason I presented.

I will pre-emptively mention that when we talk about elves, we refer to the general concept of elves that has become standard in modern fantasy, the type presented originally by Tolkien. I've no doubt that somewhere out there, someone pointlessly attempted to distinguish their fantasy from the rest, by characterizing their elves as being alien cannibals, or some such thing. We obviously aren't referring to any alternative form of elf such as that, so they need not be considered.

[Chaotrance13]

He doesn't want to deal with the crap either way, if they win or lose.

Essentially, yes. As I said, in the two last wars I've had to fight Sirion (and Fontan) players, they have been rude both IC and OOC. ICly is justified somewhat. OOCly isn't, at least in my opinion.

Now, it isn't a perfect world and not everyone is going to like everyone else. But you can still at least be civil. During the last war I was at the forefront of trying to deal with the Saxon problem in Fontan, and it was dealt with by the Magistrates. But I took a lot of flak for appealing to Tom in the first place as well as taking part in the cases against them, somewhat as well as trying to start a discussion on how to deal with clans in the future.

Now, that's most likely not an issue that will crop up again. But the point is this - if you want a war as a ruler, fine, you do what you need to ICly to cause it to happen. But if you, as the ruler, will not keep your players in line when they start to be offensive, don't expect people to want to take part in your plans to have fun.

I, for one, will be keeping silent if a war breaks out. I want nothing to do with any of Sirion's players. I'll have Ravier march and fight at the head of the Westmoorian Bulwark - but that's the limit.

[Indirik]

Now, it isn't a perfect world and not everyone is going to like everyone else. But you can still at least be civil.

I can definitely understand what you're saying. There have been some wars I have dreaded fighting, simply because of the attitude and vitriolic nature of the players on the other side. Even if it is IC instead of OOC, it makes for a very un-fun game.

[Ketchum]

I, for one, will be keeping silent if a war breaks out. I want nothing to do with any of Sirion's players. I'll have Ravier march and fight at the head of the Westmoorian Bulwark - but that's the limit.

Heh. I remember you well at that Saxon problem when funnily you was accused as Saxon yourself. Of course you are not Saxon ;D

Maybe I need kill off some Westmoor long time heroes and send them to CoH afterlife version. Is there a CoH afterlife version? Can their enemy come visit and pray as well? ::)
Also some deaths may change the island. Remember the disappearance of a realm Ruler due to OOC Real Life but treated as IC event ;)

[Eduardo Almighty]

I'd like to see these RPs, especially mine with Erik, from where these accusations came. But frankly, I don't care about the distorted view of a small group. As I said, in game you can think what you want with the characters, but accuse the player (you don't know me in person) is nonsense.

It's like saying I walk the streets looking for innocent young girls and encouraging rape. This is idiocy. And from a Global Moderator... very inappropriate.

[Draco Tanos]

Do you?  No.  Well, I actually don't know that.  I hope not.  If you did, I hope you would quickly find your way into prison.

Does your character?  Sure seems that way.  I also never said Erik.  Though the fact that you immediately think of him when rape is involved speaks volumes.

However, here's one I found (sent to me ages ago by one of my people over Skype before she wrote an IC report to Westmoor and the Church.  Yes, the depravity of your characters is quite well known).

Roleplay from Durion Eyolf Serpentis   (1 day, 14 hours ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Bruck (36 recipients)
Symphony of Destruction
Part I

Dürion laughed after receive the news. His father had been elected, but the election was a fraud. Duke Alexander was still in position despite popular results. He heard it from the mouth of one of his soldiers covered in black while they dragged out a family from their house in a small farm. The Dark Ones were impassive and infernal figures. During long hours they dragged the families out and confiscate the spoils of war. After that everything was burnt they celebrated the fire brought by their master, the Black Dragon of Trinbar. They were finally bringing chaos and death to Westmoor, making the miserable opportunists and profiteers pay for attacks committed during the war. He looked toward Oligarch. Soon the population would be starving with each field burning into a funeral pyre around them. That stupid line of kings would collapse along with their church. Mainly Jor, the jerk who accused the Sirionites of mutilating their ears. Where was the little king now to see the House of Serpentis destroying his regions!? The young Margrave spat on the ground in face of that small and stupid humankind trembling with fear while Bruck burned to the ground.

The fire attracted the mobile forces prepared to defend Oligarch in a vain effort. If even behind the walls they had few chances, in the open field the Westmorians would be decimated. While the men formed a shield wall, Dürion ordered his banner to echo a familiar note that soon after was answered by the Stormwalkers. The Silver Legion had not marched, leaving the battle tastier with smaller numbers. A demonstration that Sirion not need all its strength to crush those insects. The great machines of destruction were behind the last row. That would be a clash of swords.

Dürion Eyolf: "Look at that stinking mass assuming position. They have been a coward force of weaklings in the heart of our continent. They emerged from the gaps left at the beginning of the Great War and grew strong while we were busy. But we crushed our enemies. They can no longer hide from us. Those are the ranks defending the king. He's not a warrior! He's just a diplomatic ambassador. Worse .. he's only a Priest! You will not find him here. What moral can have such a kingdom, fighting while they King preach like a woman?"

A torrent of laughter swept through the soldiers. They were murderers in dark armors with swords ready to kill and maim. Dürion had not lost time in useless tournaments or learning the art of dueling. Instead, he stayed with his soldiers, turning them into hungry wolves, thirsting for the enemy blood.

Dürion Eyolf: "That retarded King said I'm not an elf. Today he could not be more right. Today we are dragons. Let's burn this land and decimate the enemy. Today we will give the first slap in their King's face... this is how we teach a dog to be quiet! Kill them all and push the prisoners back. They are just sheep. Bleed them like pigs!"

Offend the traditional houses of Sirion was not a good idea. Wars could be fought for many reasons, but when the King completely lost his composure and turned the conversations into insults, then he should pay, preferably with his tongue torn out of his big mouth, attached to the Black Dragon's belt.

Dürion Eyolf: "Kill them all! After that we will celebrate in their temples with their women. They need something real much more than a bunch of religious warriors. Let's make Lady Giselle cry for her old father!!!"

One of many along those lines from that character, as far as I am aware.  Judging from the reaction of the player of the Foxglove family that's correct.

But nice try BSing your way out of it OOC.

[vonGenf]

While this is not my favorite kind of RP (the last line is definitely unnecessary), in his defense I would point out that there is an option in the game called "Kill, rape and burn", and that RP seems a correct characterization of the acts KRB means in game.

[Eduardo Almighty]

Ah yes... I love Dürion, and this is a completely different character. But again, this is a game and it is a text. It would be like telling a writer not to write about the horrors of war or a journalist not to state the facts of the world we live in... and that is violent. This does not mean that I, as a player, defend these atrocities. Then, accuse me as player is out of place.

It's like to say that you, as player, is a fanatical fundamentalist person based on the views of my character or my view of player about you playing your character. Nonsense.

[Draco Tanos]

NO ONE has said that you as a player is a rapist or condones rape.  Only your characters have been mentioned.  However, you immediately started to claim such has never happened in-game, yet it obviously has. 

That is when you were accused of lying.  Nothing more.

And yeah Genf, but I don't believe that option was actually used (Sirion was trying to keep control of border regions, so they couldn't go all out or would lose control).  Just the normal pillaging.

[Eduardo Almighty]

And besides, who would want to listen to a player whose character preaches about rape like it's the best thing ever?

That was my fault in interpret the sentence. The entire conversation was about Erik, which is understandable due to the large amount of RPs. With Dürion this is actually true. He follow dark gods and he's very violent. However, this is a character. Judge me because of a character and a RP (as violent it is) continue being out of place for me.

Also, the character is just speaking to his soldiers. A macabre incentive, but between talk and do it there is a difference quite palpable. As you said, there were just the usual looting, then it's just a violent speech.

[Foxglove]

The most constructive way for you to look at it is that you've created memorable in-game villains. Taken as characters, both Erik and Durion are so hated amongst their enemies that they would probably both be executed without a second thought if they were captured and the conditions allowed for it. For villains, something like that should be the highest compliment to your skills in characterizing them.

On the RPs, I don't think they've actually offended anyone (at least not as far as I know). But those types of "we are going to destroy you and insult you while we are doing it" RPs are not really to my tastes. Every player who plays in a too big, overpowerful realm needs to remember that they only have fun in wars because the players in the smaller realms that they fight choose to actually put up a fight and resist them.

[Eduardo Almighty]

Thanks, Foxglove.

Every player who plays in a too big, overpowerful realm needs to remember that they only have fun in wars because the players in the smaller realms that they fight choose to actually put up a fight and resist them.

And that was not the intention. It was only an answer, even if ultra-violent, to a provocation. I played in many small realms and even dead-realms. And I also play with another kind of characters. The reaction was because the character really hates Westmoor (and its King), not because Sirion is a big realm. An example is Erik, who always fought Fontan with honor while they deterioate themselves.

About the taste, I agree. But this is an option... read or not read, like or dislike. Never an imposition.

[Kwanstein]

Dürion Eyolf: "That retarded King said I'm not an elf.

Hahaha, that's a funny line.