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Re: The Marrocidenian war
« Reply #585: November 19, 2012, 01:09:10 PM »
I remember not long ago Aurvandiil and D'Hara were buddy buddy and it wasnt until Aurvandiil attacked Barca that your opinions so drastically changed about Aurvandiil. I remember, you can deny but things used to be very different indeed.

Yea, well, breaking treaties to backstab one's federated friends can have this impact on people. Though Mendicant was always rather annoying to deal with, it was correctly predicted that the Lurias would strike at us whenever they got the chance to, and it was desired to have Aurvandil on our side rather than against us. I fail to see your point. We never loved Aurvandil, I just just praising them and giving them gifts IG in order to try my best to prevent them from attacking Barca, which they decided to do anyways. Some of the praises were actually sincere, too. Heck, a lot of people really despised Madina and were glad to see it gone. Now if only Aurvandil could have respected its treaties and focused against Luria instead of backstabbing Barca, maybe we'd have been able to stand their pompous ruler a bit more and pretend we actually really liked them and really thought they were beacons of civilization and whatever.

The Moot ended its friendship with Asylon because it was convenient. Asylon doesnt even know why Terran stopped being friendly.

Please stop bringing this up. You always then whine and go about asking for posts to be removed. Whatever you may think the reason is, everyone in D'Hara and Terran keep repeating:

Probably it had to do with flip flopping during the Terran-Kabrinskia war.

And recent actions by Glaumring and his church only made things worse.

It's rather amazing how Asylon is only concerned about the hegemony they are next to. As if the theocracies were all that existed on Dwilight, and that no other bloc, if allowed to grow, could prove threatening. Taking out or weakening the 'moot bloc will not help get a balance against astroist hegemony... back when Kabrinskia was threatening this, Terran, D'Hara, and Asylon all got friendly and made defensive pacts. And Kabrinskia was successfully held off.  Asylon could have relied upon the 'moot had it proven itself to be a reliable ally to it. Instead, you now favor an Aurvandilian hegemony and, de facto, a lurian hegemony (because the Lurias prevent D'Hara from helping out the rest of the 'moot, and Aurvandil prevents the rest of the 'moot from helping D'Hara). You say you want more independant realms, but you wish really hard for the reduction of the amount of blocs. With Aurvandil attacking the 'moot, that means that D'Hara was alone for fighting the Lurias, until Vesperi came. You are giving a chance for Luria Nova to gob up its neighbors, and god knows what to Fissoa.

Is this really what you want? A bunch of Aurvandil puppets to the South, Luria Nova and buddies in the south-east and isles? Whose gonna help you if Kabrinskia or Astrum strike again? Aurvandil, you say? How will they do that if the newly consolidated Lurian Empire strikes at them first, or right after they send their armies to your border?

Asylon's diplomacy is extremely short-sighted. It is in the 'moot's best interests to prevent any rise of hegemonies anywhere on the continent, because we border them all. And here you are supporting the 'moot's annexation, as if this conflict was all summed into a Barca/Terran-Aurvandil war with no continental consequences of any kind. Asylon's best bet was the 'moot, and it really shot itself in the foot when it forgot this.

Machiavel knew that an Aurvandil-Barca war would have global repercussions. Being risk averse, that's why he did his very best to play nice with Mendicant and to avoid this war. Because there are two possibile outcomes: either this war serves to increase Aurvandilian and Lurian hegemony, or either this war serves to increase astroist hegemony. And though he's willing to support astroist hegemony if it means keeping his realm and his allies intact, he'd really have just rathered just another unaligned faction to help keep Allison and her zealots in check or to deal with the Lurias as needed. Aurvandil would have been of much better help to Asylon had it not attacked Barca. Had Kabrinskia attacked you, they come have sailed with their 40 000 CS to their doorstep and pounded them into the ground, without any worries whatsoever from reprisals. Because, you know, wars with Kabrinskia never had to involve any other SA realm.
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