Handing over regions over sea zones

[Chenier]

Now that we can TO regions we don't directly connect with, such as over sea zones, can we give regions away in the same manner?

[Tom]

No.

[Chenier]

We better hurry up before the Paisly/Port Raviel sea route is erased, then...

[Anaris]

Why not?

This sort of inconsistency is avoided elsewhere in the game. Why do we court it here?

[Tom]

It is not an inconsistency. Handing over regions requires neighbourhood. It's one of the reasons the old sea routes bugged me, because they made regions "neighbours" that definitely were not.

[Anaris]

It is not an inconsistency. Handing over regions requires neighbourhood.

Moreso than a takeover does?

Until the addition of sea zones, takeovers required exactly the same conditions as handovers.

[Tom]

Moreso than a takeover does?

Yes.

And yes, I realize that is a change. For TOs, not making them possible would be crippling to the game. Friendly handovers are not and never have been an essential part of the game.

[Anaris]

Yes.

And yes, I realize that is a change. For TOs, not making them possible would be crippling to the game. Friendly handovers are not and never have been an essential part of the game.

OK. So long as it's being deliberately thought out as a change.

I agree that unlike takeovers, handovers are a useful, but not critical feature.

[Vellos]

OK. So long as it's being deliberately thought out as a change.

I agree that unlike takeovers, handovers are a useful, but not critical feature.

So for absolute clarity:

If Terran captured Paisly, we couldn't hand it over to D'Hara?

Can you secede to join a realm across the ocean?

[fodder]

... why the hell do you need to go to all that trouble (which will be an exploit... last city/duchy joining another realm) when you can just have the lord flip allegiance to another duchy.. or duchy flip allegiance to another realm.

remember flipping allegiance can be done as long as you are in the region/duchy where you plan to flip to.

[Anaris]

Can you secede to join a realm across the ocean?

No, because as you well know, to secede is to form your own realm.

(C'mon, Vellos, if even you can't keep the terminology straight, how are we supposed to keep everyone from being terminally confused? )

[vonGenf]

Can you secede change allegiance to join a realm across the ocean?

Once you secede you are your own one-duchy realm, you can't join another realm.

Also, I don't think you need to have a border region to change allegiance anymore.

[Foundation]

No, because as you well know, to secede is to form your own realm.

(C'mon, Vellos, if even you can't keep the terminology straight, how are we supposed to keep everyone from being terminally confused? )

Terminally confused... with no chance of recovery. Hahahahahahahaha

[egamma]

All that needs happen is for the eventual D'Haran lord (whom we can choose beforehand by election) join Terran, be appointed margrave, and switch back to D'Hara.

[Chenier]

All that needs happen is for the eventual D'Haran lord (whom we can choose beforehand by election) join Terran, be appointed margrave, and switch back to D'Hara.

Wouldn't this be abuse?

More likely, we'll just be forced to orchestrate a peaceful religious takeover of either regions.