Southern War of Nobility (Civil war in Madina)

[Galvez]

Recruit as much as possible. Do not worry about payments because most of the soldiers will die during the siege? Perhaps financed with investments and requesting family gold?

Just imagine 31 people asking for family funds, that raises an additional 3.100 gold. Of course, that doesn't sound likely. But I am willing to believe that there is a strong core group who is willing to invest heavily in this war.

  Also, why would Aurvandilian player tell Madinan players how they manage to wield such an impressive army. You know they will use it against you.

[Phellan]

Remember that smaller realms have cheaper recruitment costs.   I don't know the exact progression, but I do know that as the size of your realm increases, so does the cost of recruiting men.   A 50   50/50   infantry center in Morek would cost more than the exact same infantry center in  Auvrandil.

A smaller realm can run a significantly higher tax rate as well.  I don't know if that would be reflected on the income graph or not...    I don't think there has been a significant battle for a while either.  They have had a lot of time to build that army.  They won't be able to rebuild their army to that size without a fair amount of time.

Exactly.   So they can recruit more for less, and they have their significantly higher tax rate.   If that's all that's going on, it is VERY impressive - and I've never seen such a good push from a small realm.  C'Thonia wasn't able to field that much - but they did not have half as many nobles.

And no, it does not effect their chart from what some of the dev's have said - it's an "estimate", so high taxes would provide them a lot more gold than they appear to get - which I suspect is at least a good portion of their extra funds.

[Geronus]

I would like to know that too. No matter how I run the numbers, I just don't understand where they got 2,000 men. I mean, that's about 6% of the population of their realm.... equivalent deployment would be like if Madina deployed 4,000 men.

It took them about a month go from 8k CS to 20k CS. My guess is it will take them a little while to get back into that neighborhood, but then I suspect that Aurvandil will probably confound everyone's expectations, in this regard and many others. However, I don't see what you're so surprised about. The nobles currently in Aurvandil have a long and storied history of turning tiny, underfunded realms into military powerhouses against all odds. What they have done now is no more surprising than what they achieved in Thulsoma and then Averoth after that, perhaps less so since they have considerably more resources this time than they've ever had before. In point of fact I am entirely unsurprised by this turn of events. If you had ever had to deal with the Saxons directly in game, you wouldn't be surprised either.

I wish Madina good luck; may you have as much joy in dealing with these delightful characters as I have over the years.

[dustole]

How many of the Saxons ended up in Auvrandil?  They are quite tenacious! 

[DoctorHarte]

Quite a few Saxons, not sure what the count is though. And it's pretty hilarious Madina has to call of Fissoa for help; we all had a laugh over that.

Great battle in Tower Fatmilak, we'll be back soon for more shenanigans! 

[Geronus]

How many of the Saxons ended up in Auvrandil?  They are quite tenacious!

Pretty much all of them... Vanimedle', Guile, Amalric, Metisette, Brythonic, Lyirchstars, Lundstrom II, Armityle, Principe, Lurdigala, Sutherland, and Blint are all there, all in all about a third of their nobility are actually Saxons straight from Thulsoma. I would also suspect that a number of the brand new families there, as well as some of the Averothian families, are part of the same group, just without the IC history. My guess is that at least half the realm is part of the group that turned Thulsoma and Averoth into fortress states. Congratulations Madina! You've won the best-enemies-ever sweepstakes. And it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people! 

Seriously, the Saxons make great enemies, I'll give them that much. No one talks trash like they do, or has better propaganda, and you can hardly call them pushovers. They were always badly outmatched by the combined might of the SA realms in the North, but they certainly gave us a lot of trouble. I will be very interested to see how they do with less enemies and more resources, and very interested to see how the Maroccidens as a whole reacts to them. Let the South feel the fury of the Saxons' scorn! 

[Chenier]

With all that food we have to import, I don't expect anyone in D'Hara is financing anyone. Well, except by food sales, of course, which we do with both Aurvandil and Madina at the same price.

Barca? Where would they get the gold for that...

[Phellan]

Pretty much all of them... Vanimedle', Guile, Amalric, Metisette, Brythonic, Lyirchstars, Lundstrom II, Armityle, Principe, Lurdigala, Sutherland, and Blint are all there,

That list pretty much put together our list of people who have "up and left" Madina right after a battle, then claimed Aurvandil was clearly the only choice and Madina was useless.

All without any actual character RP or interaction with the Realm.  Just quiet for weeks than, "Oh hey, everyone should defect to Aurvandil like I am because they are better".

IC stuff - Hyperion and the like is cool and entertaining for the most part.   Someone who never utters a word, than writes a lengthy IC claim about how great it is to defect to Aurvandil and encourages everyone else to do the same  as pretty much their only message ever to the Realm?    Suspicious


Good battles all around so far, but I might crack down on Nathan   I need Halicos's gold - and Chenier knows how hard it is to pry ANYTHING from that guys grip.  It's like pulling teeth, except Halicos ends up convincing you to pull your own . . .

[Chenier]

Good battles all around so far, but I might crack down on Nathan   I need Halicos's gold - and Chenier knows how hard it is to pry ANYTHING from that guys grip.  It's like pulling teeth, except Halicos ends up convincing you to pull your own . . .

Everyone keeps talking about Halicos, but I honestly can never remember who that is. Food has a region of origin, which is about all I pay attention to. Knowing which realm that region belongs to is a plus, but not necessary.

[Phellan]

Everyone keeps talking about Halicos, but I honestly can never remember who that is.

He's the one who insists on selling at 50gp to you

Heck, I had to negotiate him down to sell food to Madina, because he'd rather sell to you than to our own city

He's a greedy ol' coot.  He'd buy every drop of food in Madina for 35gp and sell it to D'Hara for 50gp if he could

[egamma]

Everyone keeps talking about Halicos, but I honestly can never remember who that is. Food has a region of origin, which is about all I pay attention to. Knowing which realm that region belongs to is a plus, but not necessary.

Halicos Stalker, Baron of Fatimak.

[Chenier]

Halicos Stalker, Baron of Fatimak.

Ah, Fatmilak.

What's the big deal with Fatmilak? Most of my madinians import don't transit by Fatmilak's warehouses. A good chunk does, I believe, but not most of it. Not to mention that I've had more caravans than before leave from foreign regions to sell directly to me lately.

[Phellan]

Ah, Fatmilak.

What's the big deal with Fatmilak? Most of my madinians import don't transit by Fatmilak's warehouses. A good chunk does, I believe, but not most of it. Not to mention that I've had more caravans than before leave from foreign regions to sell directly to me lately.

Halicos pretty much sets our foreign sales prices - so any of the complaints about us being expensive. . .blame Halicos   He wont even sell in Madina for less than 45gp.   And they do produce HUGE surpluses of food, probably our top food production region.

And I think you've made a good name for purchasing food

[Chenier]

Halicos pretty much sets our foreign sales prices - so any of the complaints about us being expensive. . .blame Halicos   He wont even sell in Madina for less than 45gp.   And they do produce HUGE surpluses of food, probably our top food production region.

And I think you've made a good name for purchasing food

Markets have been open for quite some time. Maybe I should stop by and remind every lord that he can send caravans to Paisly directly? It's always nice to have others assume the risks of caravans and deliver the food themselves.

[Nosferatus]

Markets have been open for quite some time. Maybe I should stop by and remind every lord that he can send caravans to Paisly directly? It's always nice to have others assume the risks of caravans and deliver the food themselves.

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