Vent Thread

[Dishman]

In response to the original posters post, I think the job of the ruler is to be a pussy. His job is to lead diplomacy and ensure the prosperity of the realm. Unless victory is certain and damage to infrastructure is minimal, I wouldn't expect a ruler to be gung-ho for a war. There might be exceptions for good RP rulers starting a fight, but it isn't the job of a ruler. Honestly, it's the marshals job to be gung-ho for war.

It's the idle nobility's prerogative to start something the realm might not be able to finish. Demand an opportunity for loot, vengeance, or glory. If the rulers say no, dissent and/or start something on your own. Protest if you feel like people may rally behind you, and if you nothing else works then just march yourself into someones territory and pick a fight. The 'murderous' setting isn't just there for show.

[Anaris]

Unless victory is certain and damage to infrastructure is minimal, I wouldn't expect a ruler to be gung-ho for a war.

This attitude is precisely the problem.

90% of the time, the only way that's possible is if you have 5 realms of the same size as the 1 realm getting beat down on all attacking at once.

Also, 90% of the time, an idle noble charging into a region on murderous settings just gets banned and nothing else happens.

[Indirik]

Also, 90% of the time, an idle noble charging into a region on murderous settings just gets banned and nothing else happens.

Agreed. The only way the murderous charge starts a war is if one side already wants war, and is looking for a publicly acceptable way to declare it. That is very rare.

[Jon Snow]

Also, 90% of the time, an idle noble charging into a region on murderous settings just gets banned and nothing else happens.

Exactly what I thought when I read that too. Charging into another realm with murderous troops will only get you a ban, unless most other people from your realm want to fight as well. That's why most of the time you don't have a choice to do anything but sit around and twiddle your thumbs when there are no wars, unless you choose to be an infiltrator.

[vonGenf]

Agreed. The only way the murderous charge starts a war is if one side already wants war, and is looking for a publicly acceptable way to declare it. That is very rare.

It depends who you are. Brance wouldn't get banned if he did it. Of course, a 19 year old knight no one knows much about would get banned in a heartbeat.

[Chenier]

Nobody wants to have a random nobody decide politics for them and shove them in conflicts they had no say in getting involved in. What else would you expect?

[vonGenf]

Nobody wants to have a random nobody decide politics for them and shove them in conflicts they had no say in getting involved in. What else would you expect?

That's exactly my point. The murderous setting is useful if you are politically in a position where you can use it. That's the point of the game.

[Solari]

This attitude is precisely the problem.

90% of the time, the only way that's possible is if you have 5 realms of the same size as the 1 realm getting beat down on all attacking at once.

I agree with you, but I'm not sure it's just an attitude problem. It's really hard to rebuild. It's expensive in terms of time and gold. It's boring. All of the different metrics by which a realm judges its health or aptitude for conflict incentivize lengthy planning and conservative play.

[Tom]

Nobody wants to have a random nobody decide politics for them and shove them in conflicts they had no say in getting involved in. What else would you expect?

Well, there are things between total war and total cuddling. In the real world, incidents like that often escalate a bit, and then either de-escalation and diplomacy finds a way and some solution is found, or the escalation continues until it turns into a reason for war.

[Dishman]

It took me a couple of weeks to setup a good RP reason, but I'm about to test the hypothesis that a greenhorn knight can't start a war the rulers don't want. Pissed off the Judge and Ruler of the neutral realm, even routed that realm's general. Granted he had a pitiful unit, but I can't imagine a medieval kingdom letting some uppity youngin' foreigner smack down their military leader and not start something.

If nothing else, after two weeks of silence there's a bit of activity going on. The ban will be worth it.

[Fleugs]

It took me a couple of weeks to setup a good RP reason, but I'm about to test the hypothesis that a greenhorn knight can't start a war the rulers don't want. Pissed off the Judge and Ruler of the neutral realm, even routed that realm's general. Granted he had a pitiful unit, but I can't imagine a medieval kingdom letting some uppity youngin' foreigner smack down their military leader and not start something.

If nothing else, after two weeks of silence there's a bit of activity going on. The ban will be worth it.

Are you Eoric?

[Dishman]

Are you Eoric?

Guilty. I'm also Willy, the murdering adventurer who hid in Armonia. Was a bit afraid that their judge would just hang Willy and end the drama there and then. I tried to set it up that he had the option, but IC tried my hardest to make sure he wouldn't take it. May have pressed your judge a little too hard, though. How irate is he?

No OOC hard feelings about trying to start a war with your realm? 

[Chenier]

Well, there are things between total war and total cuddling. In the real world, incidents like that often escalate a bit, and then either de-escalation and diplomacy finds a way and some solution is found, or the escalation continues until it turns into a reason for war.

When american troops do friendly fire and kill canadian troops, you don't get hordes invading parliament hill. And I don't even know what kind of reprimand the american troops get, if any.

IG, these things seem to be treated exactly the same way. Haters will use it in their propaganda, most people will resent it. But overall, one incident is unlikely to shake things up, unless one of the sides was already just looking for a pretext.

[Fleugs]

Guilty. I'm also Willy, the murdering adventurer who hid in Armonia. Was a bit afraid that their judge would just hang Willy and end the drama there and then. I tried to set it up that he had the option, but IC tried my hardest to make sure he wouldn't take it. May have pressed your judge a little too hard, though. How irate is he?

No OOC hard feelings about trying to start a war with your realm? 

Haha, no. Your actions are hilarious. And somehow it might even be working... as long as you aren't banned from Perdan, of course.

[Kwanstein]

When american troops do friendly fire and kill canadian troops, you don't get hordes invading parliament hill. And I don't even know what kind of reprimand the american troops get, if any.

IG, these things seem to be treated exactly the same way. Haters will use it in their propaganda, most people will resent it. But overall, one incident is unlikely to shake things up, unless one of the sides was already just looking for a pretext.

What if Indian troops friendly fired on Chinese troops? That has happened before and it did in fact escalate into a larger conflict. I believe similar has happened between USSR and China, Pakistan and India.