Post invasion politics

[Sypher]

Nothoi and Fronen might have some issues to resolve over the way our former Doge handled the return of Dyomoque but I don't see us going to war because of that.

[JeVondair]

Soooo What exactly is Thalmarkan's cassus belli again?

All i got from their war declaration was "rawr"

I realize this means I love you in Dinosaur, but somehow I feel as though there was no love lost in the translation...

[Noldorin]

Well pretty much this is just a war to try bash up the ever unreliable and threatning neighbour in the east. We have both wanted to fight eachother for a long long time, but been interupted by other wars and invasions.

The main goal for Thalmarkin is to recreate Ar Agyr, and gain a trusted warrior-neighbour rather than the political rich-people in Melhed.

[Nosferatus]

Well pretty much this is just a war to try bash up the ever unreliable and threatning neighbour in the east. We have both wanted to fight eachother for a long long time, but been interupted by other wars and invasions.

The main goal for Thalmarkin is to recreate Ar Agyr, and gain a trusted warrior-neighbour rather than the political rich-people in Melhed.

why Ar Agyr in particular if i may ask?
Or does it just sound cool?

[Noldorin]

Uhm well, the only reasons is that it happend to be in the regions Melhed own (since you were the ones we wanted war with), and we have their old king(s?) in Thalmarkin.

[Nosferatus]

Uhm well, the only reasons is that it happend to be in the regions Melhed own (since you were the ones we wanted war with), and we have their old king(s?) in Thalmarkin.

Perhaps if you found a new realm anywhere it is cool to setup up a (original) concept instead of an empty shell.
It's name could reflect on that concept.
I hate realms who have nothing setup nor any feel of culture or uniqueness.
Don't you?

[Draco Tanos]

Fronen should war Melhed for their namesake city. *nods sagely*

[Noldorin]

Perhaps if you found a new realm anywhere it is cool to setup up a (original) concept instead of an empty shell.
It's name could reflect on that concept.
I hate realms who have nothing setup nor any feel of culture or uniqueness.
Don't you?

Its a much better reason to war to resurrect an old ally than just making a new realm.

For the uniqueness of the new realm, that will have to be up for them to manage themselves. From what I have heard and seen, realms under the Cosulas seldom get boring or one among the rest. Im not gonna sit in Thalmarkin and decide the culture and goals of another realm.

[Lorgan]

Perhaps if you found a new realm anywhere it is cool to setup up a (original) concept instead of an empty shell.
It's name could reflect on that concept.
I hate realms who have nothing setup nor any feel of culture or uniqueness.
Don't you?

I think it's a bit early to have a full realm concept again, that stuff takes time and is never finished. The main point is, Thalmarkin is Ar Agyr's heir and we have a family in our ranks who can claim the realm back.

A more detailed explanation:

Letter from Dunbor Lorganson   (1 day, 22 hours ago)
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Ah ye great warriors of Thalmarkin! Your call for blood and glory has been heard. The lands of our foe are vast and populous, it's riches the tale of legends, the treasure of generations of hoarding. Ripe for the taking.
We shall descend upon these lands with steel and fire and block their warm sun with clouds of arrows and smoke. We shall take their treasures, their luxuries, deprive them of their decadence and make their people strong again. As they were in the old days, the forgotten days, before the daimons came and destroyed, when the undead and monsters rose mindless from the ground and laid waste to the lands of man. When Ashborn still stood. When Mesh still lived. When Nuzanki and Lin Helon still were dry.
Before the rise of the Thalmar, there was only one Northern empire. Our ancestors of the warrior Republic of Ar Agyr long ruled these lands. They braved the armies of man when the entire continent, lead by Enweil, marched against them and their once brave allies of Melhed. They fought, they slaughtered and they prevailed until they finally fell to the savagery of the undead. Their refugees, led by King Julma Jaune Cosula the Fearless, came to Old Grehk and founded the Kingdom of Thalmarkin when the plague was destroyed. They reclaimed these lands and now years later, we rule over all but a few. The true heirs of Ar Agyr, warriors of the cold with hearts of fire.

But our ancient ally, Melhed, has long lost their strength of mind and now even their traditions. For more than 6 years they did not fight a war. When we marched, they sat. When we conquered, they sat. When we died, they sat. They called us allies and friends, but not without getting up from their seats. They have grown fat, they have grown lazy and they have lost all right to rule over the lands of our ancestors. We will give our kin strong warriors to follow who will bring honour to the heroes of our mutual past. We will give them hope again. And glory. And a chance at eternity. We will restore their traditions and the Melites shall gaze upon us and they will know the face of the true rulers of the North. And they will see the error in their ways. Or they will be made to see.

Long have we waited for this day, and hard has our King worked to give it to us. So gather your weapons, sharpen them, practice your arm and bring enough ale! Honour your King and give him blood.
For Thalmarkin is marching to war.

Dunbor Lorganson
Duke of Unger
Margrave of Unger

[Fleugs]

Touché

[Eduardo Almighty]

No one want allies, we want war, pure and simple. A continent full of allies is a poor continent to play. But since I can put almost the same CS of militia in Agyr that Thalmarkin have, I doubt they can do something to take the city. I survived the demons, I cannot see why I cannot hold the city against Thalmarkin. Yeux is rich enough to do it again and again. With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"

The great problem for Melhed is Old Grehk. The ruler already said he will never let Melhed destroy Thalmarkin and as I can see from his words, his "colony" and little child. Then we will fight a defensive war until we can havoc Thalmarkin. Maybe give some reason to the people really hate the Bloodspeakers, bringing the scrolls and spreading hordes everywhere inside Thalmarkin.

Yeux don't care with gold or positions. He's a pilgrim. As he said: "I don't care to burn Beluaterra to the ground to kick Thalmarkin back to their northern shores". He have no fear to push the red button. For me it's like Kubrick's Doctor Strange Love ;)

Maybe the people of Thalmarkin are right about Melhed... but Melhed belongs to Yeux now. And if you know Erik, you can expect the same kind of problems.

[Lorgan]

Oh, I am praying for a long 1 on 1 war. :)

[Draco Tanos]

With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"

Maybe give some reason to the people really hate the Bloodspeakers, bringing the scrolls and spreading hordes everywhere inside Thalmarkin.

You really don't want it to be a 1v1 war then, eh?  I doubt OG and even Fronen would stand by and let insane warlocks on their borders...  or anywhere even remotely near them for that matter.

[Marlboro]

Oh, I am praying for a long 1 on 1 war. :)

Eff. Yeah.

You really don't want it to be a 1v1 war then, eh?  I doubt OG and even Fronen would stand by and let insane warlocks on their borders...  or anywhere even remotely near them for that matter.

They're not the only ones with insane warlocks.

[Geronus]

No one want allies, we want war, pure and simple. A continent full of allies is a poor continent to play. But since I can put almost the same CS of militia in Agyr that Thalmarkin have, I doubt they can do something to take the city. I survived the demons, I cannot see why I cannot hold the city against Thalmarkin. Yeux is rich enough to do it again and again. With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"

The great problem for Melhed is Old Grehk. The ruler already said he will never let Melhed destroy Thalmarkin and as I can see from his words, his "colony" and little child. Then we will fight a defensive war until we can havoc Thalmarkin. Maybe give some reason to the people really hate the Bloodspeakers, bringing the scrolls and spreading hordes everywhere inside Thalmarkin.

Yeux don't care with gold or positions. He's a pilgrim. As he said: "I don't care to burn Beluaterra to the ground to kick Thalmarkin back to their northern shores". He have no fear to push the red button. For me it's like Kubrick's Doctor Strange Love ;)

Maybe the people of Thalmarkin are right about Melhed... but Melhed belongs to Yeux now. And if you know Erik, you can expect the same kind of problems.

So limit your war aims? Just say you intend to reclaim... Whatever city it is up there you used to own. And play some clever diplomacy.