Dwilight War Declarations

[JeVondair]

I actually like Grimrog's Asylon, both IC and OOC. They're actions may well have disrupted the broken record that is the Moot's seemingly eternal tryst with Aurvandil, not to mention a few other IG things I won't comment on yet.  8)

[Vellos]

I knew Asylon and Aurvandil were firendly... but I thought Asylon would at least wait for a cassus belli of some kind.

This will be interesting.

[Graeth]

This would have come sooner but the wedding delayed our plans.

[Glaumring the Fox]

I knew Asylon and Aurvandil were firendly... but I thought Asylon would at least wait for a cassus belli of some kind.

This will be interesting.

The Casus belli was D'hara/Terran attacking Falkirk our ally.

[JeVondair]

This would have come sooner but the wedding delayed our plans.

Peace and Love, baby. Peace and Love.  8)

[Kwanstein]

From my character's perspective, as a Terran, the war with Kabrinskia was started (by us) for no reason, we started getting our asses kicked by a smaller army, then the Zulu got involved and slaughtered the Kabrinskian army (by accident), then people started talking about how Asylon was coming to save our asses and then the war abruptly ended with Kabrinskia giving in to outrageous demands (outrageous given the fact that they mopped the floor with our army at every occasion and could do so again with impunity in the future). So, it would seem to me that what Glaumring says is true, Asylon helped out Terran and then Terran profited by quickly betraying Asylon by forcing the profitable treaty.

[Feylonis]

I've got to admit, Asylon siding with Aurvandil/Falkirk is very good for SA. Their armies can't reach too far south -- well, Asylon is a good deal closer. Onward to war!

[Indirik]

OK... Time for some official business:

• I've cleaned the thread by deleting nearly half of it.
• Warnings have been issued where appropriate. Despite the massive amount of flames, insults, and baiting, I have issued only one warning to each person involved. If I sent out warnings for each insult/flame sent, we'd probably have some locked forum accounts by now.
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• Please stop rehashing and returning to old topics that you know will just piss off everyone involved. Everyone has already made up their minds on that junk, and no one wants to hear it again, regardless off what side you're on. No one has anything new, useful, interesting or productive to say about it.
  

Having said that, I'm going to unlock this topic, and see if we can get manage to get back to the discussion.

[Vellos]

The Casus belli was D'hara/Terran attacking Falkirk our ally.

Terran hasn't attacked Falkirk?

Still, that's an interesting reason.

Hasn't been said IC yet to anybody in Terran as best I can tell.

[Vellos]

I've got to admit, Asylon siding with Aurvandil/Falkirk is very good for SA. Their armies can't reach too far south -- well, Asylon is a good deal closer. Onward to war!

This is true.

[Bjarnson]

Terran hasn't attacked Falkirk?

Still, that's an interesting reason.

Hasn't been said IC yet to anybody in Terran as best I can tell.

I can only think of one or two in Terran that I have given partial reasons for going to war. And that did not include anything about Falkirk.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Well we really wanted was to war D'Hara only. But you see if Farronites went and married someone in D'Hara so there is no going that way. Terran is allied with D'Hara so there is no going that way, if we sailed around Dwilight it would take ages and leave our frontline open because we knew as soon as a war was declared on D'Hara, Terran and 50 Astroists would jump in. So we figured !@#$ it, declare war on Terran, help Aurvandiil end the Moot conflict on the mainland since no one other than Aurvandiil was going to help us take out D'Hara.. Why do we want to destroy D'Hara? Because of Chenier, everyone in Asylon can't stand him, he is on our #1 list and right below that is Vellos. Two very unpopular people in Asylon. The thing is we don't even hate Vellos and we don't really want to war Terran but Terran is protecting D'Hara and the Astroists are protecting the Moot and without Aurvandiil no one is protecting Asylon because Asylon isn't a part of the Moot or the Theocracies, so basically once Aurvandiil was destroyed it was only a matter of time before D'Hara or the Moot or Astroists declared war on Asylon for supporting the Falkirkians and Provencia de Florenza etc and being sympatheic to Aurvandiil. If the Moot beats Aurvandiil it leaves Asylon completely isolated, we want freedom of religion, we want freedom of culture, if the Moot wins with Astroists help the Astroists are going to want some favours, all of western Dwilight will be Astroist, Asylon sticks out like a sore thumb. If Aurvandiil is destroyed basically the whole map is Astroist or Astroist sympathetic. The Farronites are a puppet state of the Astroists , they live in complete fear of Astrum, they can't choose their own culture or run their own kingdom, who wants to live like that? Swordfell is in the same boat they can't run their own country, SA says jump and they start licking boots and jumping at the same time. Who wants to run a kingdom like that? Who wants to live under the hammer of a hegemony? Not Asylon, Now is the best time to fight back, now is the time to shake off the shackles and fight back because if this combined alliances wins there will not be a second chance, not this year or the next anyways, the game will go into stagnant peace mode for a year or two or something like that.

We are fighting for Truinism, for Verdis Elementum, for CoB, for whatever goat the Lurias worship, and for free kingdoms and choice. And we would rather die than live in a kingdom that is told how to be or what to do or you can't do this because of this or this or this fear. You guys can live like slaves, in Asylon we'd rather die fighting as free men!

[Chenier]

Asylon isn't a part of the Moot or the Theocracies, so basically once Aurvandiil was destroyed it was only a matter of time before D'Hara or the Moot or Astroists declared war on Asylon for supporting the Falkirkians and Provencia de Florenza etc and being sympatheic to Aurvandiil.

True, because, well, you did support what is likely the biggest insult to D'Hara since its founding.

But hey, now you provide an enemy that is just as loathable as Aurvandil, but MUCH EASIER to destroy, to people were were starting to get desperate for victories and easy battles. Enjoy sacrificing Asylon in vain, 'cause even Aurvandil can't save your skins now.

[Glaumring the Fox]

True, because, well, you did support what is likely the biggest insult to D'Hara since its founding.

But hey, now you provide an enemy that is just as loathable as Aurvandil, but MUCH EASIER to destroy, to people were were starting to get desperate for victories and easy battles. Enjoy sacrificing Asylon in vain, 'cause even Aurvandil can't save your skins now.

I was born in Port Raviel... I'm going to retire there.

[Penchant]

I was born in Port Raviel... I'm going to retire there.

Unless you plan on joining D'hara you aren't. Asylon can't TO D'hara and I doubt Aurvandil can either. I am talking about the islands of course btw. I am pretty sure way too far for Asylon to ever sustain and probably the same for Aurvandil.