The War of Ice and Sun

[jaune]

And this time it will end to knockout!

-jaune

[Miriam Ics]

Round 2.

We learn with our mistakes, I surely learned something

[Tandaros]

Ha wait, are you guys for real? You get Agyr according to the peace terms, but its a bit messed up because of a renegade duchess, so you want to war the realm that just gutted itself for peace? It's understandable to be sore losers, but whiny winners... that's something special.

Good luck getting anyone to trust you for a peace in the future if you war a realm in sickbay.

[jaune]

It just doesnt make any sense what Kalixta did. She just peed on everybody's cerials... mostly to OO's and Melheds. There was clear line where both realms work to build good relations.... destroying all buildings from those regions surely aint working for good relations, as well as stalling stepping down.

If someone is blamed for this, it is Kalixta... who will suffer from it? She and Melhed. She betrayed you, not Thalmarkin.

[Lorgan]

Ha wait, are you guys for real? You get Agyr according to the peace terms, but its a bit messed up because of a renegade duchess, so you want to war the realm that just gutted itself for peace? It's understandable to be sore losers, but whiny winners... that's something special.

Good luck getting anyone to trust you for a peace in the future if you war a realm in sickbay.

Maybe pick a better duchess then next time.

[Miriam Ics]

Who is whining?

I am disappointed. I was really expecting a different end.

When Maya said she wanted to sign a treaty it was implicit and explicit that she didn't want the regions to be destroyed.
It seems to me now, that she was only gaining time to complete the destruction.

I expected something different after all talks. That's all. To destroy everything is just so childish... *If I can't have it, nobody will!*

[Lorgan]

It's a valuable strategy... in preparation of war.

[Chenier]

I must say I'm surprised as well... Thalmarkin gets fully populated regions, including their enemy's capital, and throw a hissy fit that there's not enough infrastructure? I've never seen a realm concede as much as Melhed after so little fighting... almost all prefer to die trying. Sacking the RCs also wasn't against the treaty...

[Vita`]

Melhed has a long history of unique surrenders, both surrendering themselves and bringing others to heel.

[jaune]

Sacking the RCs also wasn't against the treaty...

Yes it is, it is not working to better relations, it is pissing off future owner of regions.

[Noldorin]

I must say I'm surprised as well... Thalmarkin gets fully populated regions, including their enemy's capital, and throw a hissy fit that there's not enough infrastructure? I've never seen a realm concede as much as Melhed after so little fighting... almost all prefer to die trying. Sacking the RCs also wasn't against the treaty...

It was either that or just kill Melhed completly. It would take some time, but we were certainly prepared to do it. The only thing Melhed could have done is protect one of the cities, which in time would have caused it to starve to death.

Sure, Thalmarkin is getting alot, but Melhed is keeping alot as well. And it was against the treaty in such way that Melhed will consider Thalmarkin and Ar Agyr enemies in the future, and Thalmarkin and Ar Agyr will consider Melhed an enemy also in the future. The idea was to bring the realms to peace and even more, but thats just not gonna happen.

But well, dont you worry, Thalmarkin shall be the gracious victor as always

[Lorgan]

I must say I'm surprised as well... Thalmarkin gets fully populated regions, including their enemy's capital, and throw a hissy fit that there's not enough infrastructure? I've never seen a realm concede as much as Melhed after so little fighting... almost all prefer to die trying. Sacking the RCs also wasn't against the treaty...

Right. Because a fully developed duchy - something we do not even have in thal - is exactly the same as a duchy deliberately and maliciously stripped bare and made to starve. Around the negotiations table, such a duchy is in fact worth exactly as much as the other. 

The state they're in now would've been the state we would've taken the regions in through a war that would've devastated many more of Melhed. Signing peace was thus the smart move for them compared to all the stubborn idiots who drool at the thought of a "heroic last stand" and the smart move for us, compared to all the stubborn idiots who orgasm at the thought of crushing that last "heroic" stand. Yet for us now, the result wouldn't have been so different except that we'd have had to fight an enjoyable war a little longer.

Yes it is, it is not working to better relations, it is pissing off future owner of regions.

Lawyered the lawyer.

[Chenier]

Right. Because a fully developed duchy - something we do not even have in thal - is exactly the same as a duchy deliberately and maliciously stripped bare and made to starve. Around the negotiations table, such a duchy is in fact worth exactly as much as the other. 

The state they're in now would've been the state we would've taken the regions in through a war that would've devastated many more of Melhed. Signing peace was thus the smart move for them compared to all the stubborn idiots who drool at the thought of a "heroic last stand" and the smart move for us, compared to all the stubborn idiots who orgasm at the thought of crushing that last "heroic" stand. Yet for us now, the result wouldn't have been so different except that we'd have had to fight an enjoyable war a little longer.

If there's starvation, it's damage is minimal. Melhed could have damaged those regions a hell of a lot more. I'm also pretty sure the starvation is probably mostly accidental, with all of your armies and region revolts, plus some of the bugs, keeping regions fed has been quite troublesome...

[skiarxon@gmail.com]

If there's starvation, it's damage is minimal. Melhed could have damaged those regions a hell of a lot more. I'm also pretty sure the starvation is probably mostly accidental, with all of your armies and region revolts, plus some of the bugs, keeping regions fed has been quite troublesome...

This is a joke right?

[Chenier]

This is a joke right?

No, not really. I know for Tepmona, there was a bug that made sure that the region couldn't stay fed no matter how much food we sold it. And that food's been a problem a bit all-around. RCs are obviously intentional, but I don't think I heard anyone claim they were intentionally starving the regions.