Niselur

[Stabbity]

Nah, we don't have pirates, we have corsairs.

Pirates were those uncivilized Madinians we watched die in glee.

Tell me again how well that worked out for you in the long run.

[Chenier]

Tell me again how well that worked out for you in the long run.

D'Hara grew bigger than it ever even dreamed possible?

So yea, turned out okay, I guess.

Can't factor in cheating when making plans, anyways. Had Aurvandil been legit, we never would have suffered for those choices as we did. We would have been able to contain them as we thought we'd be able to at the time.

[Stabbity]

D'Hara grew bigger than it ever even dreamed possible?

So yea, turned out okay, I guess.

Can't factor in cheating when making plans, anyways. Had Aurvandil been legit, we never would have suffered for those choices as we did. We would have been able to contain them as we thought we'd be able to at the time.

Hrm. You know what, you could argue that the only reason D'hara has gotten this big (its recent expansion into Saffalore) was because of Mendicant. In fact, Mendicant is the only reason. D'hara, ipso facto, has benefited from cheating. Terran would have never shattered in the way it did, leaving Saffalore open for D'hara, had Mendicant not lead his legion of multis into Terran lands.

[Chenier]

Hrm. You know what, you could argue that the only reason D'hara has gotten this big (its recent expansion into Saffalore) was because of Mendicant. In fact, Mendicant is the only reason. D'hara, ipso facto, has benefited from cheating. Terran would have never shattered in the way it did, leaving Saffalore open for D'hara, had Mendicant not lead his legion of multis into Terran lands.

This is stupid, and a very poorly-veiled jab at myself.

D'Hara was way better off with a strong Terran on our border than a stupid theocracy, a barbarian city-state, and anarchist-ridden fringelands.

The only valuable acquisitions were on the Madina island. Which the annexation of Saffalore is making us lose to rogues.

[Stabbity]

This is stupid, and a very poorly-veiled jab at myself.

D'Hara was way better off with a strong Terran on our border than a stupid theocracy, a barbarian city-state, and anarchist-ridden fringelands.

The only valuable acquisitions were on the Madina island. Which the annexation of Saffalore is making us lose to rogues.

Which Fissoa isn't keen on you holding onto. However, since Mendicant destroyed Terran....

-D'hara has become the dominate voice in the Moot.
-D'hara has expanded its territory into former Terran lands.
-D'hara's western front is just as secure as before, seeing as Western entities are too busy glaring daggers at each other, and too weak to do much of anything.

I call that a gain.

[Chenier]

Which Fissoa isn't keen on you holding onto. However, since Mendicant destroyed Terran....

-D'hara has become the dominate voice in the Moot.
-D'hara has expanded its territory into former Terran lands.
-D'hara's western front is just as secure as before, seeing as Western entities are too busy glaring daggers at each other, and too weak to do much of anything.

I call that a gain.

The dominant voice in what is now nothing but a shell of what it used to be. Woohoo!
Expanded into territories that are so far from the capital they most likely reduce D'Hara's overall wealth, not to mention increase the food deficit.
D'Hara's western front is the least secure than ever. Instead of a friendly strong state neighboring it, we have a hostile Saffalore, an intrusive Terran, and an unpredictable Phantaria. On top of all of that, Aurvandil remains aggressive and cannot be ignored.

The Madina holdings, at least, produce food. So what Fissoa would rather have these regions for itself? We helped them. And we would have helped them even if Aurvandil hadn't cheated. The only difference is that Aurvandil and Falkirk would have been obliterated long ago.

It's easy to make a list of things that were "gained" to make absolutely anything look like it had positive impacts. It doesn't make it true, though. Gains don't mean squat if not compared to costs.

[Stabbity]

The dominant voice in what is now nothing but a shell of what it used to be. Woohoo!
Expanded into territories that are so far from the capital they most likely reduce D'Hara's overall wealth, not to mention increase the food deficit.
D'Hara's western front is the least secure than ever. Instead of a friendly strong state neighboring it, we have a hostile Saffalore, an intrusive Terran, and an unpredictable Phantaria. On top of all of that, Aurvandil remains aggressive and cannot be ignored.

The Madina holdings, at least, produce food. So what Fissoa would rather have these regions for itself? We helped them. And we would have helped them even if Aurvandil hadn't cheated. The only difference is that Aurvandil and Falkirk would have been obliterated long ago.

It's easy to make a list of things that were "gained" to make absolutely anything look like it had positive impacts. It doesn't make it true, though. Gains don't mean squat if not compared to costs.

Saffalore is a threat? But what happened to the glorious nation that triumphed over evil Luria? Or is that propaganda finally dead? Terran can't do squat without provoking the ire of damn near everyone, Phantaria could very well have been a member of the moot (hell, I tried to get them to join) but individuals like Pierre are not helping the case. If the Moot is a dead husk after losing 33% of its member states, what does that say about the remaining 66%?

And yes, Fissoa wants the isle, they did after all, do the heavy lifting. D'hara took over some rogue regions, big deal.

[D`Este]

I thought this thread was about niselur? Why did it become about Dhara again?..

[Bjarnson]

D'hara has adopted the Asylonian way, hijacking threads.

On the topic, Niselur is slowly becoming my "next choice realm" if I ever crash Asylon into the ground...(see what I did there? I brought up Asylon in the Niselur thread, D'hara-style ;) )

[Chenier]

I thought this thread was about niselur? Why did it become about Dhara again?..

Ask Stabbity, he started bringing up D'Hara, and doing so insistingly.

[Glaumring the Fox]

D'hara has adopted the Asylonian way, hijacking threads.

On the topic, Niselur is slowly becoming my "next choice realm" if I ever crash Asylon into the ground...(see what I did there? I brought up Asylon in the Niselur thread, D'hara-style ;) )

Niselur the next Asylon  8)

[Frostwood]

In other Niselur news, the Lightbringer name is sticking, probably to annoyance of a certain judge.

The whole quest(which most of Niselur knows about), had spread in Luria Nova, and now apparently people in D'Hara have heard about it.  Vellos is in on it as well in his own way and has set up his own version of the quest.  Yet another plot running out of control.

[Stabbity]

Ask Stabbity, he started bringing up D'Hara, and doing so insistingly.

Hardly true at all.

[Vita`]

If you check the message history instead of throwing accusations, you'll note that Frostwood and Kwanstein brought up D'hara. In fact, Chenier continued the d'hara discussion before stabbity ever posted on it.

[Glaumring the Fox]

D'Hara= worst name to read over and over again...  :'(