And in the process forced them to turn and attack the only realm that has been a steadfast ally to them for how long now? This is a perfect example of providing a perfect example of a treaty that is so unpalatable that the defeated realm would rather die than agree, Think of how it would be right now if Perdan got beaten so bad by Sirion that the peace treaty Perdan was given was "Give half your land to Eponllyn, then join us in destroying Westmoor and Perleone. And you have only 2 days to give us your answer." Do you think that Perdan would agree, or would they refuse and choose to die first?
Irrelevant to the matter and I am quite sure you didn't see the treaty offered before Perdan attacked Caligus (and why should you anyway).
Perdan has the RP to act like this on Caligus, your argumentation is theoretical and has nothing to do with the essence of the issue.
Caligus has backstabbed Perdan now already three times in the last 7 years, despite Perdan having saved Caligus once completely in this time.
Every patience has an end.
If Caligus chooses to die, fine.
The continents' RP can evolve then, power structures can shift.
And maybe that's not what they want to be?
And do you think that anyone on Caligus remembers that time? Maybe one player? Two, tops?
Many more than you think, your assumptions are wrong.
Caligus has the problem of lacking proper leadership since Dobromir left and has been proven incompetent to choose which way they continue.
Continue the elf way? Returning to the southern human side?
They are unable to see where they are and none cared to hand on their history so they know what role their realm plays.
Hell, I still have to laugh loud when I see on the Caligan realm description saying "we have yet to see defeat in battle for 6 years now".
That statement is now about 2 years severely outdated and no ruler since then even cared to replace it.
It attracts probably many players and when they join - well, welcome to hell lol.
To sum it up, Caligus is like a chicken without head that is still running around and now gets butchered for it - and that is good so.
Humiliating is whatever the offended party says it is. As a player of a game, you have to realize that, and make some allowances for it. If not, then the other party is free to just up and leave. And then the game has less players.
Have you looked at our player count lately?
Have you been listening to anything that anyone has been saying on the forums?
Assumptions again as far as this situation is concerned.
If you think that killing a realm means that players leave a game, then BM would be dead by now.
Players of dead realms move mostly to other realms and/or continents.
To sum it up, player and char account on EC drops every time there is a peace period.
Which could have been observed again after the Perdan vs Caligus&Friends war.
Most players went to DWI and BT, but did not leave the game.
The only way to have these numbers raise again is to have wars on EC like just every other continent needs to do.
Honestly, I make my own opinion through observation of the game, not what others say.
Were you on the ruler's channel when all the rulers on EC were complaining about this very thing happening? Oh and look, here it is happening again.
We past the point where simply destroying a realm and replacing it with a client state was a viable option, a long, long time ago.
That is really the way that the powerful realms are operating these days. Doubled-up characters.
I have been forwarded the messages by Nightmare.
I disagree with you.
Creating new or replacing realms through war and giving people own quests is the way to give people back the interest in BM.
Perdan has killed Ubent, DoA, Ibladesh since I am there but also created or indirectly created through its actions Eponllyn, Armonia, Fallangard, Perleone.
Add to that Obsidian Islands and Westmoor.
We have attracted this way many players and have brought a lot of RP to the game.
Sirion for example is the opposite, they have just created Nivemus.
The rest of the lands they take through war are becoming duchies of Sirion and this is what causes stagnation to the game on EC.
Or look at Atamara's big realms, same story.
To sum it up:
Humiliating terms are to put a realm in the corner and leave it abandoned from the rest of the continent.
Caligus had the freedom of choice and now we have a good war for almost everyone (I am sorry Eponllyn).
So it is funny that only the player of the Eponllyn ruler burps his opinion into a for him unknown situation and finds it oocly a bad attitude.
Which again is for me bad player behaviour. Go solve it IC if you don't like it what others do.
Or give Armonia Itorunt back if you feel so bad about humiliation of realms.
I am sure you didn't feel this way when you gangbanged them together with Fallangard.
You "humiliated" them so much that they rather surrendered to Perleone instead of getting butchered by you.
So don't preach water when drinking wine yourself as well.
Wars and creation through destruction is the driving force in Battlemaster.
Calling this the direct or indirect reason for dropping player count is absolutely ridiculous.
This war and future wars resulting of this will give EC again some more years of life, I quite am sure about it.
And if you don't like it, then change it. IC.
Instead of coming here and making publically OOC assumptions about things, insulting other players of realms to play the game in an unfriendly way and accusing them for being responsible that players leave the game without even knowing all facts.
And yes, just like humiliation, insults & co are whatever the offended party says it is.
That
is a shame.