The War of Thalmarkin... Supremacy?

[skiarxon@gmail.com]

Melhed has now signed a ceasefire with Thalmarkin.

Immanuel Octavius of Melhed has just corrupted the government of Trottie and bought the region, taking it from Ar Agyr to Melhed :p

A region Melhed was supposed to take anyway. As we say in a popular Moba. WORTH!

[Haerthorne]

Indeed, there was always a grain of truth in what the Cheniers said. They just always chose to go for and stubbornly hold to their own ludicrous interpretations. :P
Like back when Riombara was having a strong debate between allying with the monsters or not. MR seceded and allied with them, after the invasion they dissolved back into Riombara, which of course made it a plot against Enweil from the get-go since Enweil was allied with the daimons and thus under heavy attack from the monsters. And Riombara was evil for allying with the monsters... :)

But lying is a strong word anyway, good rulers need to be able to bend the truth to their purpose, which of course Fingolfin has done.
If you go out and blatantly lie to someone however, that's just bad diplomacy...

Ahem. This is an interesting topic to come about since I remember this quite well, having been brief King of the Dominion of Alluran at the very outbreak of the Invasion and then the person who started negotiating with the monsters.

Enweil sold us out to the monsters. Quite explicitly so. The monsters had a really interesting RP atmosphere going on about trying to stop the daimons destroying everything whilst still being quite savage themselves. When I allied the remnants of the Dominion with them Enweil went all out on calling us out on it, despite having had their own deals from what I could find out. Then they sided with the daimons.

That's an instance of more... blatant lying.

[Antonine]

The Octaviuses have arrived back in Ar Agyr to face trial for alleged treason.

*grabs popcorn*

This should be fun.

[jaune]

Trial will be propably short :)

[Lorgan]

Free Octavius!

[Tandaros]

Free Octavius!

The Sartanists are hunger striking! (jk)

[Antonine]

Free the Agyr Two!

[Indirik]

The Sartanists are hunger striking! (jk)

Then I hope it's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong trial.

[Antonine]

Then I hope it's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong trial.

I like the implication that there's even going to be a trial  ;D

[Noldorin]

I like the implication that there's even going to be a trial  ;D

Run to Nothoi! They seem to harbour all kinds of unwanted people :p

And more reasons for war!

[Disturbedyang]

Run to Nothoi! They seem to harbour all kinds of unwanted people :p

And more reasons for war!

No! Go to Spearhold and Rio instead! Rally the men to get the head of Fingolfin!!! :p Actually, all rulers should be a hero instead. Otherwise, there is no way to get them off :(

[Indirik]

Actually, all rulers should be a hero instead. Otherwise, there is no way to get them off :(

That's actually one of the wilder ideas I've had in the past: All council-level characters are automatically considered heroes for the purposes of death in battle. Easily avoidable, however, by just not fighting. And since rulers and other council members are often older characters, it's not unreasonable that they not march with an army. Many of them just can't keep up.

[Noldorin]

No! Go to Spearhold and Rio instead! Rally the men to get the head of Fingolfin!!! :p Actually, all rulers should be a hero instead. Otherwise, there is no way to get them off :(

Well thats not entirely true. I (well, Thalmarkin and allies), have gotten rid of 2 Fronen rulers which opposed us, King Yeux in old Melhed, the ruler of Sint, and Pavel would have (like it or not) been forced out sooner or later, either by treaty or his own people for not signing a treaty. But well, it certainly requires winning the war, or otherwise the position just get even stronger.

As well, those serious/critical wounds or prisons does get people out of rulership, and in need of reappintment. Fingolfin has just been quite lucky with very very many wounds, and still being back in business just before the voting would have started :)

Aside from that, he was quite close to get protested out once, but that was taken care of too! :p

[Disturbedyang]

Well thats not entirely true. I (well, Thalmarkin and allies), have gotten rid of 2 Fronen rulers which opposed us, King Yeux in old Melhed, the ruler of Sint, and Pavel would have (like it or not) been forced out sooner or later, either by treaty or his own people for not signing a treaty. But well, it certainly requires winning the war, or otherwise the position just get even stronger.

As well, those serious/critical wounds or prisons does get people out of rulership, and in need of reappintment. Fingolfin has just been quite lucky with very very many wounds, and still being back in business just before the voting would have started :)

Aside from that, he was quite close to get protested out once, but that was taken care of too! :p

King Yeux went inactive, ruler of Sint has always been inactive. Only Pavel was actually killed in a glorious(sorry had to add that in :p) battle. Pavel was surprisingly quite famous in the Melhed and i would like to believe a lot of players there rp to get his position, but isn't actually going to do it soon.

Critical wounds is the only way to get a ruler that is not hero out of the position. And even that, it takes another that are willing to step up to take over from the ruler.

That's actually one of the wilder ideas I've had in the past: All council-level characters are automatically considered heroes for the purposes of death in battle. Easily avoidable, however, by just not fighting. And since rulers and other council members are often older characters, it's not unreasonable that they not march with an army. Many of them just can't keep up.

That's true. I guess that leaves infiltrating the only way to 'kill' the ruler then? But actually, we should probably brainstorm for a way to get rid of a ruler other than becoming more famous than him(via voting). I think it is one of the reason there are stagnation all over the continent. Fingolfin is doing a good job in making the continent fun, but i am referring to the other continents, where the 'older' set of players seem to stayed on. Perhaps if they are unwilling to let the new blood take over, something can be done to make them 'die' or 'leave'?

[Antonine]

Well the mechanisms already exist to remove rulers - rebellion and the threat of rebellion. Unfortunately, they're rarely used.

Meanwhile, in recent developments, Selene and Immanuel have been banished from Ar Agyr on pain of death and have returned to Melhed where Immanuel is about to be made Marshal once again.